Any volunteers for our twitter handle?
Eylo Pirates!
We are now a group of some 77 members and active more than ever!
A few of us have also met in person and others had successfully attended a meetup in Mumbai recently!
We now discuss on a range of issues from caste based reservations to net neutrality/encryption issues to the death penalty and seem to be quite active on loomio!
In view of the above , how about we take this a notch further and enter the world of social media?
I had twitter in mind. We could reach a vast majority through twitter.
Twitter can be a very powerful tool and so should be used wisely. Especially when we are representing a serious group like ours.
My opinion: If we finally do decide to create a twitter handle , we would need a dedicated set of people to handle the account.
Let me suggest an idea.
Step 1) : Get some members of our group to be ready to handle our groups twitter account.
2) Create a twitter handle.
3) Since we are a group , one simply should not post whatever he feels is right. We , Indian Pirates , as a group should collectively agree on a post before "tweeting" it on twitter. **But this should be applied only to important topics as we cannot expect to vote on EVERY SINGLE tweet our group has to post. For example , if we are taking a stand on net neutrality or the draft encryption policy or the death penalty , we should THEN as a group agree to the post before "tweeting" whatever it is we want to—Like we do on loomio – we open a discussion , throw in our views and come to an agreement, only faster!
Other small issues like , for example "Re-posting" a link can simply be tweeted without consult because it cannot go wrong--- for instance , the gov. withdrew the draft encryption policy , we do not need to AGREE as a group before tweeting it because it is a "fact" .
I hope you get what I mean.
4) If one person is not able to be active on twitter , share the passwords among 2-3 members.
I can simply go ahead and create a twitter handle but to be honest , I feel that I certainly am not the right person to be handling the account because of the nature of my profession. Because when Im home , I can keep the account active , but when I go sailing I will be gone for about 4 months and there would be no activity.
Consistency is something we should maintain.
I mean , if we create a twitter handle , we should not come across as a loosely knit group whose members are hardly active.
We should do it once and we should do it right.
We could do the same for Facebook too if need be.
So, do we have any volunteers?
Pirate Praveen Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:02AM
@vidyut I have started a thread here https://www.loomio.org/d/lmxwOfSC/election-manifesto
Vidyut Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:05AM
Praveen, the contesting thread did not get a majority of votes. Additionally, out of the seven votes you got, @michaeljohnsinclai is neither Indian resident nor citizen - so for purposes of politics, votes in favor are LESSER than disagreements. You have acknowledged this when publishing the outcome stating that since there are no blocks, you will go ahead (as opposed to we will go ahead). So how can we say endorsed by Indian Pirates?
Perhaps you should start a thread asking whether Indian Pirates should endorse you as an independent - because the result of your campaign will then reflect on Indian Pirates as a whole and people should have a say whether they are okay with this.
Pirate Praveen Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:13AM
@vidyut after the vote, I created a sub group with those who were in agreement. Then I proposed my candidature
https://www.loomio.org/d/3gQl87zO/willing-to-contest
I waited for endorsement by permanent members (those who have the decision making power as per the constitution) before using the Indian Pirates name.
Vidyut Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:25AM
Ah ok. I did not know this. I am not a permanent member.
I can issue a series of tweets with clarification on the issue. Let me know if you are okay with this.
"Thank you all for the good will. India does not have a Pirate Party yet. This handle represents a group of people who were interested in forming one."
"Pirate Praveen, is endorsed by Indian Pirates, which branched off the original group. You may follow him at @pirates_in"
Or to the effect.
Or suggest specific tweets.
Vidyut Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:40AM
I must state my discomfort at the idea of losing a proposal, taking an independent stand and getting it endorsed by two people - other than yourself - as the representation of an entire community. In effect, rendering the original votes meaningless at the high command level.
I can clarify from the PiratePIN handle and direct people to yours. Given the number of people asking me about it, some clarification is necessary.
Beyond that, I cannot support the campaign for reasons of personal ethics.
Pirate Praveen Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:40AM
@vidyut it would be great to have you as a permanent member, just apply. All you need is endorsement by two permanent members (mine is already there, so one more only required). @fayadfami @arjun @vik @balasankarchelamat @akshay @arkarjun are current permanent members.
I created a sub group for assembly elections so those who were not interested need not be bothered (this is a great feature of loomio I like, compared to flat structure of a mailing list). Those who joined that sub group knew about this endorsement request.
Those tweets look good, just change the last sentence, @pirates_in is handle for 'Indian Pirates' and not my personal profile.
"You may follow Indian Pirates at [[@pirates_in]]"
Vidyut Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:43AM
Cool. Will fix the tweet.
I don't want to be a permanent member @praveenarimbrathod till I know the purpose of the community. It can cause conflict of interest with my independent blogging. My support to the Pirate Party ideas as always, but if I move from my neutral stand, it will be a well considered decision and strictly for the purposes of serious politics, party formation and all.
Vidyut Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:53AM
I am not trying to be difficult here. I do support Pirate ideas, but I think the desire to contest is overruling a lot of other considerations and is committing the community regardless of their views on a track other than stated while joining. Particularly when inability to commit to entering politics became a reason for an impulsive "fork" and then another, giving rise to this space. So it seems that certain people will get their views played out by whatever means - breaking a community, arbitrarily restarting it, changing its goals, and ignoring votes against something by taking it to a closed space of a few like minded old-timers. This is not exactly direct democracy playing out.
Pirate Praveen Mon 18 Apr 2016 9:53AM
@vidyut we have trust based membership because there is no expulsion for dissent or indiscipline. You could argue the other model of open membership and throwing dissenters out for indiscipline is a better model. Tonnes of organizations practice that.
I kept the proposal in the main group to get widest comments. Anyone can comment there. This structure allows anyone the freedom do what they like unless its against the basic principles. If it is against the basic principles, anyone can stop it with a block.
Indeed, its not perfect since its a new concept. We can always improve it.
Pirate Praveen · Mon 18 Apr 2016 8:56AM
@vidyut you could say, "Indian Pirates, started when Pirate Party could not be sustained, to take the Pirate ideas forward". You could also mention "Pirate Movement", which also could not sustain. Indian Pirates is the third attempt.