Discussion Thread on the use of 1080 in New Zealand
Daymond Goulder-Horobin
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I am curious to know the membership's position on the usage of 1080 in New Zealand. There is a strong divide about its usage and whether it should be banned and reverted to Trapping or other safer methods, or whether 1080 "Does the Job".
I note that based on discussions I have had that it is clear the mainstream published science supports the usage of 1080 with all the major parties in agreement, perhaps a few searching or being open to alternatives to some extent. However, I also consider many observations of what 1080 seems to have done with some observing that it has damaged and destroyed aspects of wildlife as well as unreasonable collateral damage from its usage based on personal observations made by farmers and onlookers.
Thus we have a classic problem where the published and peer-reviewed science is not matching what some of us are actually seeing. So what do you guys think? I am hesitant to finish a write up of our approach to 1080 without support from the membership given the nature of the subject. Also share personal observations as well and "Viable" alternatives as they say in the mainstream if you have them.
Mason Bee Sun 25 Nov 2018 4:01AM
I'm sorry. I haven't been able to find any papers by Dr. Joe Pollard on 1080 by searching the site. I did read the Okeefe submission for the review (2007) as it was talked about at the time.
Is this the material you are referring too?
Annette Joel Sun 25 Nov 2018 10:51PM
there is a whole website 1080science.co.nz all done by Dr Joe Pollard - in her own time and at her own expense - anyone can ask questions or whatever - all papers can be seen there - good luck
Daymond Goulder-Horobin Sun 25 Nov 2018 11:10PM
Its a great site. And much different conclusions from what the mainstream is reaching.
Annette Joel Mon 26 Nov 2018 12:16AM
Mason Bee - if you have evidence that your last paragraph is true leave it - on the other hand I find it to just be your personal perspective that does not focus on the actual issues - Just my personal opinion
Kathy White Sun 2 Dec 2018 10:48PM
Jo Pollard put together the site that indexed the 2007 ERMA review of 1080. www.1080science.co.nz. She also has her own articles on that site and if you search scoop, you'll find some important press releases, such as the one on the national poison centre and Otago University study on dog deaths through 1080. It showed how wildly inaccurate the PCE comments were.
Annette Joel Sun 25 Nov 2018 11:30PM
there are numerous books written by very well qualified people on the subject of 1080 in NZ published by Tross publishing PO Box 22 143, Khandallah, Wwllington, NZ
If one has not seen with their own eyes the deverstation caused by 1080 in NZ and the untruths told by our Govt with the use of our moneys - the biggest PROPAGANDA EVER IN OUR COUNTRY and maybe the world - all one can do is read what has been put out there by extremely well qualified people - and also keep in mind the fact that DOC and F&B have NO base line data to actually show that there is a need for all this inhumane killing/war - and one needs to ask why has our Govt released possums that they infected into possum free areas? IMO this is a money making scheme for an SOE without a mandate from the people of NZ and in time our water and most species and biota will be effected to an extreme extent. This is what I see living in an area that has been poisoned with 1080 for many decades. We in NZ are being use as an experiment and it does seem to involve the United Nations Agendas. This sounds far fetched I know. Just look at what we have been signed up to. Such a shame that so many people in NZ do not become informed.
Best wishes -
Mason Bee Sun 2 Dec 2018 5:41AM
On the money making part. How are they making money?
Kathy White Sun 2 Dec 2018 10:34PM
The government owns the factory that manufactures toxic baits. Not just 1080 baits, but also anticoagulants like Pestoff. The SOE is called Orillion. It used to be called Animal Control Products. A wide number of agencies and businesses in NZ purchase those poison baits. They are also sold overseas along with companies selling expertise in island eradications. There are rumours about international chemical companies "investing" here. I don't know enough to comment on that.
Annette Joel · Sun 25 Nov 2018 2:22AM
see Dr. Joe Pollard www;1080science .co.nz Whiting O'Keefe,Q..&Whiting-Okeefe
yes, I am very amazed that people have an opinion when they themselves have not done reading and research .