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Tue 12 Apr 2016

Proposal to hide OuiShare FB groups on our website

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Francesca Public Seen by 500

In connection with our current website content restructuring project, I would like to propose that we no longer display the long list of OuiShare topical Facebook groups, called "Knowledge groups" on the website.

The reason we originally added these when the website was launched in 2014 was because we wanted to show publicly how active the ouishare community is and at that time, our Facebook groups were indeed one of our main activities.

Arguments for deleting them:

  • 90 % of the groups are no longer active, and do not have a leader managing them
  • We still receive many requests from people to join our groups that come from the website (because this is how they find them), which are in most cases ignored, which puts us in a bad light and creates frustration among people wanting to join
  • We have discussed the subject multiple times in the past of getting people more engaged again in curating groups, but have not seen much interest from Connectors or Members in taking the lead on curating groups any more
  • there is too much information on the website anyways and we need to focus our message more
  • We don't need these Facebook groups anymore to show that OuiShare is doing lots of great stuff, because we have other awesome projects to show :)

Arguments against deleting them

The few groups that may still be active will be more difficult to find. HOWEVER I suggest that all groups that still have an active curator create a project page on the website instead, so they can still be easily found.

that's all I have! If any one has any other strong arguments for keeping them, let me know!

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Francesca started a proposal Tue 12 Apr 2016

Delete the list of knowledge groups from the OuiShare website Closed Fri 15 Apr 2016

We are speaking about deleting this list that links to OuiShare's topical facebook groups which are no longer active: http://ouishare.net/en/communities/knowledge_groups

Results
Agree - 13
Abstain - 13
Disagree - 13
Block - 13
21 people have voted (8%)
MB

Marie-Anne Bernasconi
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

DF

Daniele Fappiano
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

AB

Alexandre Bigot-Verdier
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

GA

Gabriela Avram
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

M

Maud
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

That makes sense. I will still suggest we keep a listing of them, maybe rather on the Ouiki ?

MAG

Marc Arthur Gauthey
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

DU

[deactivated account]
Disagree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

I think, from my experience curating OuiShare Open Knowledge, that having the knowledge groups on the website is not a bad idea if the group is active and it's linked to the FB group. Besides, it also helps people find connectors o members by topic.

MP

Magali Pagnon
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

JL

Jennifer Leblond
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

DS

Dina Sierralta
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

MW

Martin Werlen
Agree
Tue 12 Apr 2016

AI

Alanna Irving
Abstain
Wed 13 Apr 2016

What if you got rid of all the inactive groups, and just kept the links to active groups who are open to new members joining and actively facilitating those spaces?

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Ana
Abstain
Wed 13 Apr 2016

Im not sure since we are open and a think tank. We would need an alternative space to share knowledge and to show how we do it, sharetribe?

JI

Jocelyn Ibarra
Agree
Wed 13 Apr 2016

AC

Albert Cañigueral
Disagree
Wed 13 Apr 2016

For me OS FB groups are still a vital part of OS. Moving debates/info sharing to more obscure (i.e. difficult to join) corners like Slack or custom made Telegram groups we wil leave a lot of people out. I would rather looks for leaders and engagement

CR

Claudine Revol
Agree
Wed 13 Apr 2016

LH

Lucía Hernández
Disagree
Thu 14 Apr 2016

I think FB groups listed in the website is another channel to deliver traffic to the knowledge groups and a way of positioning ouishare as experts giving them visibility.

AK

Auli Kütt
Agree
Thu 14 Apr 2016

It would make sense to recreate active groups as "Communities" so they could be joined on the website.
Our former plan to enhance projects with "join" option hasn't fit the budget or priorities so far.

EG

Elena Giroli
Disagree
Thu 14 Apr 2016

I think they are pretty useful for those people that are interested in specific topic. FB, it's hard to admit,is one of the the most used channel... Maybe those inactive will become active at some point:):)

TD

Thomas Dönnebrink
Abstain
Fri 15 Apr 2016

As much as I'd like to see alternatives to FB, it's still an easy to use/find/join channel for many otherwise not reached. So +1 with Alberts et al. More aline with Alana. Criteria: having a leader OR being active OR marking as dormant/being patient

LT

Luis Tamayo
Disagree
Fri 15 Apr 2016

If only 10% of those channels work, I think it would be good to let these channels active, .. would not it be better to close those that are not working and those who are left open whether working?, keep it simple :)

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Francesca Thu 14 Apr 2016

Great to see some people express their opinions :)

Could we actually make a list here briefly the knowledge groups that are acutally still active and which have a clear leader? If we want to only show active groups, I think it needs to be mandatory to have one person who feels responsible for it, so that if, for instance, the group becomes inactive, this person remembers to remove it from the website (which did not happen till now).

The reality is that we do not have many active knowledge groups, so the list must be quite short. Also, @albertcanigueral I can't help noting that we have had this exact discussion 3 times in the last 2 years, and I distinctly remember that each time you have answered that we should make an attempt to remotivate people to take leadership on these groups. However nothing has happened since to make this a reality. Do you have a concrete proposal for a next step or are willing to take the lead on finding leaders for the inactive groups?

I want to underline that here we are talking about only the topical groups, not the Facebook groups by language or city.

@churitasrm @elenagiroli @luciahernandez do you think that converting the active groups either into "communities" or projects on the website could be a solution, so that they can still be found?

AC

Albert Cañigueral Fri 15 Apr 2016

@francesca happy to see that we keep consistent conversations over time :)

Maybe we could ask the groups we are interested in (in may case: money, makers, mobility, retail) to identify this leader for the next 6 months with a clear role.

  • If nobody takes responsibility ... make group secret and remove it from the list
  • If somebody appears publicly as leader (in mobility Angelo (taxistop) is possible for example, makers someone from POC21, etc.) ...we try for 6 months. If it doesn't work.. make it secret and remove it.

Anyway... we need a low effort entry door for people in OuiShare and FB groups (both location based + theme based) are this low requirements entry door.

JI

Jocelyn Ibarra Fri 15 Apr 2016

Hey hey,

I'm with Fran on this, teams. Whoever needs a group will take care of it and propose themselves to do all the activities needed in them: Welcoming, Onboarding, Connecting, Informing, Curating info...

Albert, the lowest-effort entry door for people new to OuiShare is people inside OuiShare being welcoming and helping with onboarding. That is why Community Global was distributed and what it was distributed into: clear activities that anyone inside OS can do. We are there, we are ready to test what was decided last summer :)