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October 30th, 2016 10:50

Switching Petition Platforms

Tristan Copley Smith
Tristan Copley Smith Public Seen by 439

The #WeAreTwitter petition is currently hosted on the Action Network platform. Change.org is an alternative platform interested in hosting our petition for the campaign's re-launch on Monday (tomorrow).

Here are the pros and cons, as highlighted in the #communications channel on Slack:

Pros for moving to Change.org:

  • It is a better known platform with larger community (12m in UK alone)
  • They have offered to support our campaign in newsletters emails to their community in UK an look into other countries as well
  • There have been issues with the Action Network platform including language support, misleading signature goals, smaller user community

Cons for moving to Change.org:

  • Current petition signees will need to re-sign, we may loose some
  • Unlike Action Network, Change.org is for-profit and controversial among some activists (see http://bit.ly/2f0Ep8g)
  • They use cookies and tracking for advertisements
Tristan Copley Smith

Tristan Copley Smith started a proposal October 30th, 2016 10:54

URGENT: We are relaunching the #WeAreTwitter campaign tomorrow. Should we migrate the petition to Change.org? Closed 9:01pm - Sunday 30 Oct 2016

Please note: we must decide this by the end of today (Sunday) if we are to have time to migrate to Change.org. Also, our URL can be easily re-routed to a new petition page if we decide to do so.

Pros for moving to Change.org:

• It is a better known platform with larger community (12m in UK alone)
• They have offered to support our campaign in newsletters emails to their community in UK an look into other countries as well
• There have been issues with the Action Network platform including langauge support, misleading signature goals, smaller user community

Cons for moving to Change.org:

• Current petition signees will need to re-sign, we may loose some
• Unlike Action Network, Change.org is for-profit and controvercial among some activists (see http://bit.ly/2f0Ep8g)
• The change could confuse our supporters

Results
Agree - 12
Abstain - 4
Disagree - 4
Block - 0
20 people have voted (0%)
KS

Katharina Simon
Abstain
October 30th, 2016 11:01

Indigo oder betterplace would be better choices

Johnny Haeusler

Johnny Haeusler October 30th, 2016 11:13

@katharinasimon Indiego is for crowdfunding in the first place and betterplace isn't international enough. change.org is a little controversial, but they have the largest community and operate worldwide. If we think about countries like Turkey that we haven't reached out for yet, change.org could help the most.

Johnny Haeusler

Johnny Haeusler
Agree
October 30th, 2016 11:14

This might be the last chance to switch platforms and I think we neeed the largest partners we can get. They might deal with ad partners, yes. But so does Twitter.

KS

Katharina Simon October 30th, 2016 11:27

Ok then lets do that

KS

Katharina Simon
Agree
October 30th, 2016 11:27

Indigo oder betterplace would be better choices

Tristan Copley Smith

Tristan Copley Smith
Agree
October 30th, 2016 11:31

Thomas Euler

Thomas Euler
Agree
October 30th, 2016 12:33

Jordi Faxedas

Jordi Faxedas
Agree
October 30th, 2016 13:23

Wolfgang Maehr

Wolfgang Maehr
Agree
October 30th, 2016 13:29

Eugenia Siapera

Eugenia Siapera
Agree
October 30th, 2016 14:44

I am going with the flow here, it's important to gain traction at this stage, though I am not a great fan of change.org

Rebecca Garnett

Rebecca Garnett
Agree
October 30th, 2016 14:50

Max Strube

Max Strube
Agree
October 30th, 2016 14:53

Michael Siepmann

Michael Siepmann
Agree
October 30th, 2016 15:04

TM

Tom McDonough
Disagree
October 30th, 2016 15:23

The database of petition signers is our most important asset and most remain independent.
I don't know the backend of either Change or ActionNetwork but keeping the database where it is seems best.

virginieG

virginieG
Agree
October 30th, 2016 15:27

Danny Spitzberg

Danny Spitzberg
Disagree
October 30th, 2016 15:31

Change.org goes against an "Internet of Ownership." They get us attention, but they own our data and sell it for profit. But platform choice aside, How might 10-100k signatures help us? What exact goal/outcome do we want? Can we clarify that first?

Johnny Haeusler

Johnny Haeusler October 30th, 2016 15:31

I will cross post this: Who can set up a test petition on change.org to see a) if they allow international campaigns with different languages and b) if we have control over the data generated?

Kirsten Lambertsen

Kirsten Lambertsen
Agree
October 30th, 2016 15:59

It's hard for me to believe that we aren't allowed to collect the email addresses of our petition signers with Change.org. Is that really true? Do we have to choose? Can we keep both and just use different page paths for each?

Kirsten Lambertsen

Kirsten Lambertsen October 30th, 2016 16:01

I'm also curious about the re-signing bit. Is that really necessary? Would a new, differently worded petition cancel out our previous petition?

Nathan Schneider

Nathan Schneider
Abstain
October 30th, 2016 16:42

I've created a sample list at Change.org.It doesn't appear to have additional features compared to AN—for instance, language support. You can't edit the post-signing page. The only advantage is maybe getting help from the Change.org company.

Daniel Brandes

Daniel Brandes
Abstain
October 30th, 2016 18:26

Open for that, but starting from zero could be risky. General public could perceive the movement as fragmented and competing

ARK

Amelia Rose Khan
Disagree
October 30th, 2016 18:39

I don't see how change.org is better then AN except for wider outreach help. The outreach help doesn't give me enough to say change.org is better.

Bernardo Parrella

Bernardo Parrella
Agree
October 30th, 2016 18:53

even if a bit risky, as others pointed out, it's certainly worth switching -- but we must ensure that it can be translated in as many languages as possible (and collect email addresses)

TM

Tom McDonough
Disagree
October 30th, 2016 19:07

The database of petition signers is our most important asset and must remain independent.
I don't know the backend of either Change or ActionNetwork but keeping the database where it is seems best.

Tom Ladendorf

Tom Ladendorf
Abstain
October 30th, 2016 19:20

Max Strube

Max Strube
Abstain
October 30th, 2016 19:41

Mai Sutton

Mai Sutton
Disagree
October 30th, 2016 19:44

It doesn't seem like the reasons for leaving AN is outweighed by the benefits of Change, especially given its drawbacks re: privacy, being for-profit, lack of ability to control the post-signing page, and questionable lack of language support.

Bernardo Parrella

Bernardo Parrella October 30th, 2016 20:23

we are discussing this on slack right now: https://buytwitter.slack.com/messages/petition/ (we'd consolidate all discussion topics in only one place, no? slack seems better for this...even if there is the "loomio bot")

Danny Spitzberg

Danny Spitzberg October 31st, 2016 05:24

I'm generally for whatever we can to do amplify our efforts and draw attention to the petition. Also, I see a lot of renewed enthusiasm around this move!

So, to clarify the opportunity and channel our energy, I drafted a 1-page doc with my best shot at summarizing our campaign goals, strategies, tactics, and timeline/escalation – check it out and make comments/edits at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vy-gOGDLDeRLkw48wraNoB8sOZlHXtz1NI9C5YhNfR4/edit.

Now if we believe 100,000 signatures is enough (as @mairasutton commented) to "open doors" to more press coverage and to Twitter (as @johnnyhaeusler said), then we can evaluate our strategies, see how they add up (or not), and coordinate our efforts.

One last thing: 1,529 people already signed one petition. As @ntnsndr has said, we absolutely must send an honest, motivating invitation to these individuals to add their name a second time.

Nathan Schneider

Nathan Schneider started a proposal November 1st, 2016 02:21

Time to sign the new petition! Closed 8:02am - Tuesday 1 Nov 2016

Outcome
by Nathan Schneider April 25th, 2017 09:50

Okay, we're public! Spread the word far and wide. Here's a tweet to RT: https://twitter.com/internetowners/status/793464419518865409

You voted on it (or had a chance to). This week we're re-launching the #WeAreTwitter petition with help and support from Shareable and Change.org. We need to start seeding the petition with our names before it goes public. Please sign your names here:

https://www.change.org/p/twitter-inc-free-twitter-from-wall-street

Don't start spreading this to your networks until Tuesday morning.

Results
Agree - 5
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 1
Block - 0
6 people have voted (0%)
Nathan Schneider

Nathan Schneider
Agree
November 1st, 2016 02:39

Did it!

Michael Siepmann

Michael Siepmann
Agree
November 1st, 2016 03:05

Done.

Bernardo Parrella

Bernardo Parrella
Agree
November 1st, 2016 04:15

just signed

DU

[deactivated account]
Disagree
November 1st, 2016 11:02

Who exactly is the addressee of the petition? What I want to say is that a petition does not affect at all on private company. Petitions are commonly addressed to governmental administrations.

Rafael Zanatta

Rafael Zanatta
Agree
November 1st, 2016 13:02

Nathan Schneider

Nathan Schneider November 1st, 2016 13:21

@billyk if you look at the petitions on major sites, including Change.org, you'll see many are addressed to non-state actors. A petition like this only has an effect based on its performative impact, so there's no reason it would affect a state any more than a company. And a company could be quite affected by it, actually, if the company finds it embarrassing or a manifestation of concern by users.

Timothy A McDonald

Timothy A McDonald
Agree
November 1st, 2016 13:48

Done.