Convocation

Hey Christophe,

I agree with you, but this is impossible for me (or anyone) atm. I have made a membership list with the information that I've been able to collect, but prior the last GA I cannot check (in time) who paid when. Thus, I can only send to the people whe paid there or afterwards. I hope for your understanding in this matter.

So I see that you sent the convocation. Thank you for this great team work and transparency (!). Now, I must say that the French translation is almost unreadable.
By the way, this is the best way to get people frustrated.
But I shouldn't complain, since this is democracy, right? Oh, wait. It isn't...

Well, I asked for a French translation here on Loomio and the only person who had time to answer was also a Dutch speaker I believe, so if that is the case I'm sorry but It'll have to do - there was no time to wait any more. If you want, in the future I'll ask you personally to send a translation? That way the quality can only increase, and you get the chance to contribute!

Before translating an «official» (fuck that word) text like an invitation to a GA with a sample version of an Agenda, «we» thought that «we» had first to agree on the content before giving time to translate.

But the content, the place and the date was probably already decided (that is a supposition of mine and it is written in my name only).

By the way, thanks for the invitation sent from your gmail account. I really do not understand why «we» still have pirateparty.be mail accounts or Mailchimp newsletter (and yes, I am sarcastic).

But please, do not take it personally because YES «we» are a mess! :smiley:

Hey people,

I must have made the mistake assuming that the information that was given to me today when I asked for it was already agreed upon; for this I'm more than willing to apologize. I'm not familiar with Loomio and frankly totally not on my 'territory' handling the mail traffic of the party.

What I did do was try to make a more or less usable membership list, something that seemed to be completely missing a year ago (unimaginable as it is). When people told me that I had to send an invitation to the whole list a few days ago, there was still a lot of work on that list, so I've tried to complete it as good as possible. The deadline, I was told, was today, so today I asked for a translation of the agenda in French (I made the Dutch one quickly myself), and I didn't check the French one that was offered to me, as I felt time was ticking and it was expected from me that I handled as quickly as possible. That was another mistake, and also for this I do apologize if it has gotten people frustrated.

What I won't apologize for is acting. People asked my help, and the past week I've worked a lot to be able to send the invitation for the GA (which I'm not working on, so I'm not familiar with the discussions) to as many people as possible. I'm more than happy to learn and to do better next time, but please don't start ridiculising the effort made by many people to organize this event, especially not because of my mistakes. We're all here with good intentions right?

To Thierry: thanks, I won't :)

I don't understand...
Unless there is information missing, why have the convocations been sent already while we're still talking about the content of it?
I have not received mine, so I don't even know what's in it but apparently it contains that google translation?

Without «knowing it» ... it's seem that all we are discussing here on Loomio WAS already decided days ago.

Thanks our core values, transparency, democracy, sharing ... and :rabbit: pops out of a :hole:

Now you know what happend during last election. Deadlines, pressure, tension, misunderstanding, mistakes, conflict.

It's a good practice.

@all Please keep in mind that we are all volunteers here.

@jovver , you might want to learn what happened to the last coreteam before you make your next move.

I was not going to come to Loomio anymore, but I make an exception for you @vincent15 .

• sigh *

Before I make my next "move"? Do you all think that I am trying to do anything but trying to organize the mess the PPBE is in? I have stated time and again: I am not doing this for me. I have a good life, a great house, a nice car, good work, a fantastic income, even more fantastic kids etc. I do not need a basic income, actually am quite fine with privacy, banking leaves to be desired, transparency must increase. Oh well.

I organised. A LOT by -- the -- book although some here fail to see that. If open meetings, open minutes, open clips, open drinks and an invitation to call (my personal number is right here in this thread) are not enough to warrant "transparancy", I don't know what is. Loomio? How many pirates are on here?

I've tried to assemble and motivate a LOT of people over the last few months to gather towards a common, democratically created goal only to come here - another time investment for me with a full-time job, a family and a book to write - and see persons misinterpret explicit things I say, misquote me, judge me for things I didn't and won't do etcetera. I see words of mine hand-picked and pulled out of context just to make a point when there isn't one to give.

If pirate democracy means that each and e-ve-ry-thing needs to be decided upon democratically, not only in squad meetings, crew meetings, minutes, videos and talks, then pirates will miss their intended goal. We can all sit here and shout at each other for aeons. Let's create that invitation then - a "democratically created one". I'll immediately create a poll for the first letter we need to use. I say it's an "A" - all agree? Next step is the second letter.

Oh. And about these "decisions" which were made: where, when, the text of the invitation.

Where's been discussed in Gembloux. Since Mechelen is organising, "it is only normal that the GA is here" was common consensus. "Also, it's never been here in the past," was another. Should there have been somebody against, we listened!

When's been discussed in function of Iceland, starting early August in Recess of Recession. It has been postponed to "as late as possible".

The text? Yeah. That must have been a "decision" of mine. Nobody else wrote it or had any intention to. No. The only thing which is being said here is: "I don't like it. Let's create a pad for it." An empty one of course, as actually writing it - that's for somebody else.

I really apologize for investing all this time Loomio-guys. I merely seem to be able to upset people here. I'll apologize for wanting to organize too. For having these (open-invitation) meetings "in the background". I am upsetting you. Well, these I have never spoken to at least. As others, who have been talking to me, mostly were encouraging.

focus on our common goal; don't focus on the words needed to express it
^ for crying out loud

Thank you for this explanation, @toonvanboxstael !
Hopefully we learn from this and improve it for next time.