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October 14th, 2016 06:01

Presenting a viable proposal to Twitter @ Twitter HQ

Danny Spitzberg
Danny Spitzberg Public Seen by 451

Hi everyone!

Tonight in SF, a group of people who have been super-keen on #platformcoop from a labor justice perspective came up with a way to get real, by hosting an event – at Twitter HQ itself – to float the #BuyTwitter proposal.

Show some love to the organizers at https://twitter.com/daspitzberg/status/786775013642731522 : )

What do people think about
a) putting effort into actually interfacing with Twitter, and,
b) Starting with Monday's push, channeling interest in #BuyTwitter towards a real-life event?

TM

Tom McDonough October 14th, 2016 16:04

Great idea, but NOT YET. Let's see how the Manifesto goes next week.

We may want to meet with Twitter at the top first before meeting with employees.

I'm up for live events. Is anyone else in the group from Washington, D.C.?

Danny Spitzberg

Danny Spitzberg October 14th, 2016 17:05

Thanks, @tommcdonough! We'll keep on laying the groundwork for engagement,

To support that effort, can you tell me what strategy to you see for escalation? What results are you expecting from the manifesto, and when? Is it more of an art piece like http://wagesforfacebook.com/ or more of a challenge/petition?

TM

Tom McDonough October 14th, 2016 19:14

@dannyspitzberg I'd like to get your comments on our plan at Slack Buy Twitter channel #financing_strategies

TM

Tom McDonough October 16th, 2016 00:13

@dannyspitzberg Be sure to votd on the Finance Plan elsewhere

Alanna Irving

Alanna Irving October 17th, 2016 10:13

@dannyspitzberg since this is a clear idea (work toward an in-person event) perhaps a proposal is in order? What I'm hearing is yes, but a bit later. So that's fine... we can still decide to start working on it now.

Danny Spitzberg

Danny Spitzberg October 18th, 2016 07:30

@alanna I absolutely agree.

First, here's a simple report back from last Thursday: a group of 6 humans and 1 puppy who attended co-op barn-raisers (like hackathons where people reunite to play forward what they learn each time) got together for an informal organizing meeting. See the lovely photo and the Tweet gathering attention at https://twitter.com/daspitzberg/status/786775013642731522 : )

We talked about the importance and urgency we each personally see at the intersection of fair platforms and relevant co-ops. Then we talked about doing another event. For some 30 minutes we traded ideas about events focused on 1. Workplace democracy means co-ops, 2. Service/food/cleaning companies and co-ops getting help, 3. Campaigning with a pledge of some kind, 4. Finance and investment for a co-op ecosystem. And then @paigepanter brought up 5. Buy Twitter.

After some excited discussion, we all agreed that hosting an event made a lot of sense – and service each and every one of the 4 points we touched on.

Last Friday, I circulated a short write-up of an event proposal (in this Google Doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/103KO5GuBOzSlZLR4wQiQhxk-pBpWn21xIYdGdwHybQ8/edit). And in a moment, I post it as a proposal to Loomio : )

Danny Spitzberg

Danny Spitzberg started a proposal October 18th, 2016 07:42

Host a panel discussion with Twitter stakeholders and decision-makers @ Twitter HQ Closed 4:02pm - Friday 21 Oct 2016

In support of general agitation and education with the manifesto and other means of making #BuyTwitter a reality, a growing group of Bay Area-based organizers are actively exploring an in-person event.

Our intention is to build (and leverage) relationships with key stakeholders.

Date: within the next 3 weeks (before ≈Nov 15)

Location: likely at Twitter HQ (if contacts we have can pull through); otherwise, nearby

Possible people on stage:
We want the discussion to be 2 parts excitement, 3 parts explanation. This discussion should really go somewhere! Below is a list of likely invitees
- an expert in finance and law who know what's possible (investment lawyer Jenny Kassan jennykassan.com, co-founder of theselc.org and/or startup lawyer Kyle Westaway westaway.co, counsel for new co-op nobl.io)
- a co-op enthusiast from from a large co-op that might be analogous (someone from Stocksy United, or REI, or perhaps even chsinc.com - which also runs the CHS Foundation?)
- a leading activist in labor rights, digital rights,
- a Twitter executive, employees, or board members..?
- moderated by a local journalist or writer

Possible improvement:
Panel discussions are the least interactive, but a good MVP. Below are a few simple ways to build on the basic event.
- livestream it
- facilitate break-out groups
- host an unconference-style activity before or after

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Chad Whitacre

Chad Whitacre
Agree
October 18th, 2016 11:37

TM

Tom McDonough
Agree
October 18th, 2016 15:15

Needs to be carefully orchestrated. I would like to attend in person.

Thomas Euler

Thomas Euler
Agree
October 18th, 2016 23:25

Mai Sutton

Mai Sutton
Agree
October 18th, 2016 23:30

Nathan Schneider

Nathan Schneider
Agree
October 19th, 2016 01:54

ARK

Amelia Rose Khan
Agree
October 19th, 2016 14:25

Sreeharsha

Sreeharsha
Agree
October 20th, 2016 01:14

Yes agree, we need to get the discussion started with twitter main folks, and show them they have alternatives to wall street

Priscilla Grim

Priscilla Grim
Agree
October 20th, 2016 16:29

Brendan Denovan

Brendan Denovan
Agree
October 20th, 2016 22:22

JK

Julia Kelley
Agree
October 20th, 2016 22:46

Tom Ladendorf

Tom Ladendorf
Agree
October 20th, 2016 23:51

If this idea can be broadcasted to Twitter folks, that could be an amazing help! Even if the first event is sort of provisional, it'd be worth it if the presentation is well done.

John Gieryn

John Gieryn
Agree
October 21st, 2016 03:18

Chances for people to meet in person and online are important for building trust and discovering leadership

John Gieryn

John Gieryn October 21st, 2016 03:19

Would be interesting to see if any of Twitter's live-stream plug-in-companies (ie Periscope, Meerkat) would be keen to do tech support or something special for such an endeavor

ÉL

Érick Lavoie
Agree
October 21st, 2016 03:44

Eugenia Siapera

Eugenia Siapera
Agree
October 21st, 2016 06:19

Chris Cook

Chris Cook
Agree
October 21st, 2016 06:25

Good idea

Chris Cook

Chris Cook October 21st, 2016 06:30

Creating a Platform Co-op between Twitter staff/management Co-op to partner with Twitter User Co-op can't be done conventionally & hopefully the speakers will reflect this.

TM

Tom McDonough October 22nd, 2016 18:44

Here's what I expect to result from a meeting with Twitter (or even a request for a meeting with Twitter):
1. As a Twitter user, I'm happy to join a user-owned cooperative.
2. As a Twitter shareholder, I'm happy to vote for your proposal if it's competitive.
3. As a human being, I'm happy to get full market value for my shares at closing. What's your proposal for raising $12 billion?

Besides, quite a few of the shareholders are pension and mutual funds. They have a legal obligation to protect their investors. The only acceptable exit for them is market value at closing.

Alvaro Solache

Alvaro Solache October 23rd, 2016 10:21

Greate let's talk in person

Chris Cook

Chris Cook October 23rd, 2016 11:04

1/ The endgame will be a Twitter 2.0 - a Platform Co-operative co-owned by staff/management AND users with investment by risk averse utility/infratsructure investors looking for ANY positive real return.

2/ We won't purchase your Twitter 1.0 shares which on the current strategy are going nowhere but down: we will maximise your return by developing your asset in partnership with staff & management.

3/ Utility investors who do not wish take transition/development risk will then enter to fund your optimal exit from transformed Twitter 2.0 should you seek higher than the utility returns which suffice for them.

4/ If you have an obligation to protect your investors you will wish to listen to a proposal which gives them an optimal return ON capital and an optimal return OF capital.

Thomas Euler

Thomas Euler October 25th, 2016 07:21

@dannyspitzberg Any updates on that front? I think it would make a lot of sense to get a dialogue going with the people at & management of Twitter as soon as possible.

Danny Spitzberg

Danny Spitzberg October 27th, 2016 00:00

Hi all! Here's an update on this thread: @mairasutton and I are meeting with a couple other individuals tonight to talk shop about next steps. Additionally, @paigepanter and the Tech Workers Coalition have an event on Nov 1 where I might be able to share an update and make a call to action around the petition and larger organizing effort. As for the event at/with Twitter folks, stay tuned – I am meeting their former head of product this Saturday, and welcome any other recommendations for people to contact!

Thomas Euler

Thomas Euler October 27th, 2016 10:57

@dannyspitzberg I think it would be great to get in touch with Ev Williams and/or Jack Dorsey. If you could open such a door it would be awesome :)