Openstreetmap.in do we really want to make this happen ?

@satyakamgoswami Please don't get me wrong. I appreciate your enthusiasm and support this initiative. That's why I mentioned, in principle I agree with the proposition. However, this is not an appropriate forum for any discussions on the issue. Previously, discussions on the topic have happened at talk-in@ and I don't see any reason why discussions there can result in "talks going on without owning things" and a different outcome can happen if such discussions happen here.

More discussions should happen on @sanjaybhangar's concerns on updates. There are many other concerns that need to be addressed, but none of these appear as blockers to me.

let me clarify this proposal is not mine
I don't really care. The proposal is good.

its now open on mailing list , feel free to propose
whatever you think is your take on this topic
anywhere. again i am sticking to this platform to
brainstorm.

This "my way or the highway" attitude can be really detrimental to the cause for which all of us have so far remained deeply united and passionate about.

@ishanchattopadhyay its not about anyone's ego's here yes i wanted to shake the hornets nest and come quickly to a decision , i own the domain name anyone interested in owning it are free to raise there hand and do whatever they want with it .
Coming back to the issues which @sanjaybhangar mentioned how do you think its an non issue ? Can you list the concerns which are like blockers .

@sumandro the doc is open for edit with link so feel free to make any changes. i think lazy consensus is a difficult one on this one since there are many stakeholders, resources and unknowns we are dealing. i do not want this proposal to fall through the gap and five years from now we are again talking same.

@satyakamgoswami i'm fine using this space to discuss as long as someone summarizes / copies the discussions over to the mailing list and a final decision is taken only after it has been put on the ML. I do feel that many may not sign-up for a new platform and shouldn't be excluded from the process.

About the updates question, I really know nothing about the OSM tech-stack apart from spending one day setting it up on my laptop for kicks, so people who are more knowledgeable will need to answer to that. It's really more just a common-sense type question and getting the sense that this may not be a trivial to do. I definitely think this question is a blocker though - its totally possible there is some easy solution that I am not aware of, but until this is figured out, we need to think hard about why we want our own instance if it is going to create a hard fork, and if there are ways to accomplish what we need without creating a hard fork of the OSM data.

From looking at Arun's proposal, it seems like some ideas are around better localized styling, labelling, etc. A lot of that stuff seems like it can happen without forking the data / using main OSM to store canonical data and just creating differently styled front-ends. This should happen anyways if Arun / anyone else is willing to contribute styles and designs, I don't see any good reason not to have more styles and styles better suited to local conditions.

I think the big sticky point is: "Conform to local laws pertaining to the display of India’s external boundaries". I think this is a big reason why many institutions and people are looking for an India-specific OSM, so that we can use OSM for government / education projects without getting into trouble with the law. Is there a way to do this without hard forking OSM? Or just show the "legal" boundaries for the india OSM but have all other data remain synced / being pulled from the main OSM? Here is where I have no idea how the stack works / how this maybe accomplished, but I think needs to be addressed.

It maybe useful to split up the use-cases into things that can be accomplished without forking data, and things that would require forking of data, and then see if someone has a tech solution to the problem.

If we are going to hard-fork OSM to create an india-specific version, I really think we need to think long and hard before doing so as it seems quite dangerous.

i wanted this space to be like SIG. Absolutely no decision will be taken in isolation , the whole discussion i will document and take back to mailing list or OSM Wiki.

me too have no clue about how are we going to handle the updates ,there are more experienced people on this group who can talk about it .

@sanjaybhangar
Forking the data:
Not required, one would still make edits to the main db and we can just update the tiles using daily dumps or minutely diffs. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm/diffs#Minute.2C_Hour.2C_and_Day_Files_Organisation

Borders:
Its fairly trivial to create another postgres table with the borders we want and have mapnik render that instead of the default ones.

Btw, the idea of forking the data is not part of the proposal in any way. This is more about custom tiles and customized location based services like http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html

Thanks to @ishanchattopadhyay the document has been converted to a wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IN:Proposal feel free to contribute.

can everyone give there OSM handles in order to quote on the wiki page.