Loomio
Sat 1 Sep 2012 7:29PM

LiquidFeedback as Community Governance Platform

JH Jonne Haß Public Seen by 70
JH

Poll Created Sat 1 Sep 2012 7:29PM

LiquidFeedback as Community Governance Platform Closed Wed 12 Sep 2012 10:22AM

Lets at least investigate/discuss about it.

While Loom.io clearly has the better user interface and there's a hosted version we can use, LiquidFeedback offers a whole lot more features and implements true liquid democracy. We're not restricted to one proposal per issue but can have several competing ones, decide which to implement in an approval voting system (Yes, that type of voting system has it downsides but works really well if used the right way and can save a lot of time).

The other big feature is vote delegation, allowing one to delegate the own vote to another person you trust. That's possible per topic so you can choose people who have the same opinion as you in one topic/section while not forced to follow him in another one. Of course you can vote directly any time if you decide to, without any reconfiguring. This allows to ground decisions on a way bigger base without needing everyone to keep up with all the discussion all the time.

The clear downside is of course that we would need to organize hosting and administration ourself.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 0.0% 0  
Abstain 18.2% 2 JH F
Disagree 81.8% 9 MS AA S CB BO JH JR BB DY
Block 0.0% 0  
Undecided 0% 252 BK ST FS TS HF DM GC RF M EG G AX PC PP LP T SH DU H M

11 of 263 people have voted (4%)

JR

Jason Robinson
Disagree
Mon 3 Sep 2012 7:41AM

Sorry have to disagree on this. Self-hosting is just an additional burden for a small community that should be spending time doing stuff and not setting up tools to do stuff. Also a nice UI = more users so Loom.io kinda wins here.

AA

Alex Andrews
Disagree
Mon 3 Sep 2012 8:08AM

Pretty much convinced by Jason Robinson's argument viz. the burden of self-hosting.

F

Flaburgan
Abstain
Mon 3 Sep 2012 8:54AM

I don't think self hosting is a problem. The goal of Diaspora is to keep our data under control, self hosting allows that. And if the tool is great, it will not be hard to do.
I think we have to choose looking at the proposal features.

JH

Jeremy Huffman
Disagree
Mon 3 Sep 2012 5:24PM

Some of those features sound nice but I'm not convinced we'd see much benefit from them. We need to stop thrashing on tools.

S

SleepyDaddySoftware
Disagree
Sun 9 Sep 2012 5:58AM

Need to use what we have. All we need is voting and discussions. Longer discussions can always move to the google group or even, gasp, d*? ;)

BB

Brent Bartlett
Disagree
Tue 11 Sep 2012 4:48AM

1) Terrible interface.
2) Arguments against self-hosting.

DY

Dave Yingling
Disagree
Wed 12 Sep 2012 12:10AM

I don't have anything against self-hosting, but the other options are much easier on the eyeballs and the extra feature list doesn't have any absolute must-haves, IMO.

JR

Jason Robinson Sat 1 Sep 2012 7:54PM

Might be a good idea to give a link to the right place :)

JH

Jonne Haß Sat 1 Sep 2012 8:33PM

Sorry, missed that, it's http://liquidfeedback.org ;)

FS

Florian Staudacher Sun 2 Sep 2012 12:45AM

having multiple options for a proposal would be really nice, and the rest of the features might come in handy when the amount of people who can vote becomes bigger.

Self-hosting is a big downside, though, and it seems rather complicated in my opinion...

JH

Jonne Haß Sun 2 Sep 2012 11:06AM

So I pulled a test install onto a EC2 spot instance and discovered some other downsides:
- Likely an configuration error, but after initial sign up I couldn't sign in anymore.
- There's no sign up, admins have to generate invitations by hand.

So for the moment I've to say sorry for the noise.

Still I would really, really like competing proposals so I'll keep exploring what's out there.

A

altruism Mon 3 Sep 2012 8:59AM

+1 for competing proposals (see Jonne)

G

groovehunter Thu 6 Sep 2012 8:35PM

just joined here.... hello all.
imho LQFB is too complicated.