Bob Haugen Wed 6 Nov 2019 3:27PM
How does it compare to https://valueflo.ws/ which is being implemented in these parallel projects http://mikorizal.org/futures.html which arose out of OAE?
mike_hales Wed 6 Nov 2019 4:24PM
It would be great if someone was able to really work through the comparison @Bob Haugen . As @Graham says, the OAN idea of a solution is probably worth reckoning with, friend or foe. There seems to be quite an amount of development effort behind them.
What's stopping a cooperative/commons/open version of this from coming into being?
Just a hunch: wage labour and venture capital? The ability to pay folks wages, on the basis of anticipated returns on capital later.
Bob Haugen Wed 6 Nov 2019 4:54PM
Gaah, I might need to look. But not much motivation given those descriptions...
Graham Thu 7 Nov 2019 10:58AM
How does it compare? I can only answer from my point of view, which is not at all from a technical perspective, but as a potential user of tools and services. And in practice right now that probably means that my take is as much (if not more) defined by presentation/marketing as by substance. On that score alone OAN stands out. Does that count for anything? In terms of building momentum, and community, and wider support, yes.
Graham Fri 8 Nov 2019 9:06AM
If money - or rather the lack of it - is what's stopping/slowing OAE from delivering, what work has been done to secure funding?
Bob Haugen Fri 8 Nov 2019 11:17AM
I can think of five more-or-less OAE-related projects that are either being actively developed now or soon to start.
* HoloREA which has been funded sporadically and may get more because other projects want to use it as a foundation. https://github.com/holo-rea/ecosystem/wiki/Coordinating-the-REA-community-of-practise
* @jonrichter is connected to https://app.solidbase.info/
* https://reflowproject.eu/ will include 2 or 3 OAE peeps
* https://moodle.com/moodlenet/ is sorta related: being developed by people who have been part of OAE and producing some components that some of us will use for other projects, like http://commonspub.org/
* @olisb of OAE is working on https://opencredit.network/ which might or might not count.
Did I miss anything?
But it's fits and starts, by hook or by crook, little by little, etc...
Josh Fairhead Sat 9 Nov 2019 8:04PM
Thanks for the links Bob, I've noted the projects for later exploration (although some of them are familiar already). I'm working with others on hackalong.io (shared infrastructure) and liminalvillage.com (semi-provisioned working space) which may fit in the allies category? I hope so at least :)
Bob Haugen Sun 10 Nov 2019 12:26PM
@joshafairhead
may fit in the allies category?
Seems like it, from a quick skim-through. But OAE is not exactly an organized group. Has a bunch of birds flying in and out in different directions. How do you think about allying? Any ideas of what you would like to do about it?
Josh Fairhead Sun 10 Nov 2019 2:56PM
Amen Bob, same for Hackalong! Lots of flying birds with varying backgrounds and interest.
Re: allying I think it's a case of teach, learn, share - we're just connecting dots in the space and enabling through the provisioning of technical infrastructure and the other things we can afford to provide, while working towards our goals.
Liminal as a co-working/living space is largely intended to become an open innovation hub but were still spinning up and maturing; so far we've run two month long hackalongs out there but were still learning how to do this non-prescriptive self-organising thing to sufficient standards (experimenting and solving local first problems). If theres a friendly respectful crew that wishes to self-organise out there for a month we're likely up for hosting a sprint - so thats another way to collaborate.
For us it's less about forking code and more about the spooning of communities; but in such we do recognise, respect and value the various tribal alliances and identities. In that regards we have a nice set of roughly shared values with Akasha hub Barcelona and are working on bridging to other communities together as part of a SPACE network (network of hubs).
I'd love feedback on the hackalong article also, its unpublished at the moment so its still open for co-creation. Eventually I think we'd like to move to an instance of Ghost for blogging as you can badge the articles with contributors, for now I'm doing it at the bottom of medium...
How about yourself? Any thoughts on allying and how to do such?
Graham · Wed 6 Nov 2019 2:26PM
I agree that the network itself is clearly a capitalist undertaking. What's attractive is that it has a coherent offering and - on the face of it - seems to be offering a solution to some key problems. What's stopping a cooperative/commons/open version of this from coming into being?