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Sun 7 Apr 2019

Community co-ordinated water delivery

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Lexy Public Seen by 230

The Nest site does not have running mains water available to Nestlings. Similar to last year, some volunteers are co-ordinating water delivery from a local company for camps & individuals.

Community Effort & Leave No Trace

This serves as both Communal Effort and also towards our Leave No Trace principles minimising waste, as the water will be delivered in 19 or 13 litre bottles which are then re-used, as well as making it much more convenient for people to not have to bring their water individually.

Prices

  • 19 Litre bottles for £6 each.
  • 13 Litre bottles for £5 each.
  • Water Pumps for £12.50 each.

These are the same prices as last year, with the additional 13 Litre option added to help with carrying the bottles around site since they have a handle.

Also anyone who bought a pump last year can consider them an investment since the will be re-usable again this year, although please ensure they are properly cleaned first.

How to Order

We are now ready to collect orders and receive payment here: https://bit.ly/NestWater2019
If you tried ordering before and got an error we can now accept payment by Monzo.me, UK Bank Transfer and PayPal.

Deadlines!

  • Submit Order: 11pm Sunday 12th May
  • Payment: 9am Monday 13th May

Delivery

The supplier has informed us that for an order of this size we will need a midweek delivery as we had last year. If you can, please stagger your order using both deliveries it will help us and our supplier massively.

The midweek delivery is currently set for Thursday 23rd, but we are negotiating to see if it can arrive on Wednesday 22nd to minimise disruption. We shall keep you posted.

Alternatives

  • Buying water in bulk and recycling the plastic.
  • Using the spring water at your own risk.
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Lexy Sun 7 Apr 2019

This would make a great mini-project for someone new to Nest and keen to contribute as mainly just requires co-ordination of orders / payments / project management - so if you are good at spreadsheets and happy to liaise with the vendor then thats all you need :)

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Ax Mon 8 Apr 2019

:wave: I think I'd be fine with all the pre-event organisation, but as a newbie I'd need help understanding what would be needed once Nest actually starts.

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Corinne Hitching Thu 11 Apr 2019

Thanks Ax for putting yourself forward. In be happy to support you as a returning Nesty

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Lexy Mon 8 Apr 2019

Thank you @ax :)
Can you email me at lexy@burningnest.co.uk and I will send you some info from last year and put you in contact with Nick who was involved last year in this and we talked to about this briefly at the pub.

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Nick Staines Fri 12 Apr 2019

Have emailed @ax with a brain dump of tips/lessons learned from last year.

PTC

Paula the cat Wed 10 Apr 2019

As a result of fundraising, Nowhere had the Freecamp Water Project which was very popular and quite a success. I think this is a great idea! https://www.gofundme.com/freecamp-watershower-project

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Ashley Wed 10 Apr 2019

We considered this as an option in Crumpet last year, but the costs (~30p/l) were higher than just buying a vast pile of 2l bottles of water in bulk from a supermarket and then recycling the bottles. Reuse is better than recycling however.

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Simon Thu 11 Apr 2019

Lots of people drank the stream water last year and we could do the same this year. Some people didn't want to drink it because they were not sure about the quality of the water.

Does anyone know about water testing? If we get it tested and there's no heavy metals, pesticides or other bad stuff in it, would it not to make sense to use the stream as a primary source of water. It's cheaper and there is no waste! Please let me know if I'm missing something here as it seems like a quick and easy win.

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Corinne Hitching Thu 11 Apr 2019

It may be that we'd end up with a queue of a good number of people at the stream constantly trying to fill containers. It's certainly worth using for cooking and cleaning etc but as the only source of water I would be nervous.

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Sabrina Thu 11 Apr 2019

It would definitely be great to get it tested just so we know what we can use it for.

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Corinne Hitching Thu 11 Apr 2019

Most travel stores or maybe pharmacies have water testing kits. We could def grab a couple

CH

Corinne Hitching Thu 11 Apr 2019

Northface store maybe?

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Charlotte Davis Fri 12 Apr 2019

There were no queuing issues last year. Most people seemed to fill large containers and decant later.

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Simon Thu 11 Apr 2019

One of my camp members knows people who work in water testing professionally and is going to get in touch with them regarding what is best practice in these situations.

We're happy to take on the task of looking into what tests need to be done, ordering them and doing the tests. Depending on how much this costs, we might ask for contributions from other people who think this would be worthwhile.

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Amandasm Fri 12 Apr 2019

Excellent. Panravia is definitely interested in the results

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Simon Wed 1 May 2019

Given Cass' facebook post that Alex is testing the water, we will no longer be doing this.

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Stephen Brannigan Wed 1 May 2019

Can you please link me to this post? I can't find it, and the water being properly tested is a huge development on this subject!

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Gemma Smith Wed 1 May 2019

Simon, for clarity, do you mean you're no longer taking on the water testing (as opposed to no longer ordering the water delivery)?

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Simon Wed 1 May 2019

@gemmasmith Yes, that's what I mean.

@stephenbrannigan see Case's facebook post (if you are on facebook)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/204762193401063/permalink/478248642719082/

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Martin Evans Wed 1 May 2019

Er, Case's excellent post doesn't actually say that. And punctuation is important.
For those who can't find the post or are not on Facebook:
Option 5: Drink from the spring. Risks from this fall into three basic categories: Heavy metals and minerals, bacteria and viruses and protazoa and oocysts. Alex is testing for the first two and will let us know the results. Filtering will take out most minerals (excluding nitrates which are water soluble. I tested for them last year and it was well within safe limits. They are only really an issue for small children). Purification tablets or UV (after filtering so the water's clear) will kill viruses or bacteria. If both of these are within safe levels you don't necessarily need to do anything. Unfortunately the third category is rare but can be incredibly serious. Protazoa and oocysts are parasites and hibernate in forms that cannot be killed by UV or iodine, and the test for them require filtering 1000 litres of water. They can be removed using 1 micron filters (not all filters are made alike, read the labels!). Incidences are rareish (<500 cases of Cryptosporidium and ~1000 cases of Giardia each year in the South West), and it is worth noting that the water supplies properties on the estate without filtering. Risks are slightly higher because some of the land above the spring is used for sheep grazing.
If you are going this route, be informed. I can point you at some filter suppliers, or people are welcome to run water through our filter rig (down to 0.5 micron with UV). Rigs cost about £300. I can highly recommend roller water tanks - last year Aldi had them rather cheap.

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Simon Wed 1 May 2019

I'm confused at what difference you see Martin. Alex will test for Heavy metals and minerals, bacteria and Viruses. The only thing he won't test for is protazoa and oocysts. Do you read the comment differently?

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Paul Phare Wed 1 May 2019

News on the water testing which might affect your decisions. The site owner says the results won’t be back until next week.

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Martin Evans Wed 1 May 2019

Simon, just clarifying for those who won't have seen Case's post that the water will have been partly tested and that filtering and purification will still be required to make it safe ('safe' as in can I offer this water to other people in the complete confidence that they'll not suffer any consequences).
Actually, I take Case's point that hand-washing and good sanitation is probably more important, as discovered in the dreadful year of Nowhere shigella.

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Amandasm Wed 8 May 2019

Any news on the water testing results? As this will affect how much water, if any, some people will order.

PF

Papy Fisher Fri 12 Apr 2019

Desanka interested. Coffee in the morning and dish washing station take a LOT!

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xavier dubruille Fri 12 Apr 2019

i m planning to use the water source personally i need to shrink my budget a lot :s

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Giggletits Mon 15 Apr 2019

Hi all, was a decision reached about ordering the water?
Would really like to throw our camps name into the order please?

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Nick Staines Mon 15 Apr 2019

Hi Ruthie, a couple of people have taken on the project and contacted the vendor from last year to gauge their appetite for doing it again this year (they're a small local company and we represent a pretty big job). As soon as they know, they'll hatch a plan to sort orders/payment out and communicate through the usual channels (including me emailing theme camp leads).

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Giggletits Tue 16 Apr 2019

Thanks Nick, greatly appreciated.

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Martin Evans Tue 16 Apr 2019

Yep, it's all going on. Announcement soon.

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Lexy Tue 16 Apr 2019

Awesome guys! Communal Effort in action :-)
Once you have a plan, please email comms@burningnest.co.uk who can include it in newsletter too.

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Ax Wed 24 Apr 2019

We've had prices back from the supplier of last year's communal water order, a local water company Pure Dartmoor.

Prices

  • 19 Litre bottles for £6 each.
  • 13 Litre bottles for £5 each.
  • Water Pumps for £12.50 each.

These are the same prices as last year, with the additional 13 Litre option added to help with carrying the bottles around site since they have a handle.

Delivery would be made on the Saturday 18th to hydrate those involved in Build. Collection would be made after Strike (TBD). Depending on order volumes a mid-event collection/delivery may still be required (TBD).

Leave No Trace

As with last year this is delivery of water but also collection of the empty bottles at the end of the event for them to be cleaned and reused. Purchasing water at retail might be slightly cheaper but it will result in a lot of plastic recycling.

Also anyone who bought a pump last year can consider them an investment since the will be re-usable again this year, although please ensure they are properly cleaned first.

Order Process

To get an indicative size of order please use dot vote to indicate how many 19 Litre Bottles, 13 Litre Bottles and Water Pumps you or your camp are likely to order. This will help me schedule with the supplier.

Assuming a good level of interest I'll have a google form for collecting orders and monzo.me link for collecting payment within a week.

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Ax started a dot vote Wed 24 Apr 2019

How much water are you likely to order? Closed Tue 30 Apr 2019

Outcome
by Ax Wed 8 May 2019

Thank you all for your interest.

We are now ready to collect orders and receive payment here: https://bit.ly/NestWater2019

Please Note!
Deadline for orders: 11pm Sunday 12th May
Deadline for payment: 9am Monday 13th May

The supplier has informed us that for an order of this size we will need a midweek delivery as we had last year.

If you can, please stagger your order using both deliveries it will help us and our supplier massively. The midweek delivery is currently set for Thursday 23rd, but we are negotiating to see if it can arrive on Wednesday 22nd to minimise disruption.
We shall keep you posted.

To get an indicative size of our order please indicate how many 19 Litre Bottles, 13 Litre Bottles and Water Pumps you or your camp are likely to order. This will help me schedule with the supplier.

97 - 19 Litres @ £6
8 - 13 Litres @ £5
11 - Pump @ £12.50
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Ax Wed 24 Apr 2019

2 - 13 Litres @ £5
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 19 Litres @ £6
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Roger Smalley Wed 24 Apr 2019

2 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
RS

Roger Smalley Wed 24 Apr 2019

2 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
PF

Papy Fisher Wed 24 Apr 2019

10 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

We will use these for drinking water (and the spring for cooking and washing water).

AM

Alex Macklen Wed 24 Apr 2019

2 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
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Tara Wed 24 Apr 2019

5 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

5 19l for Intergalactic Häus of Mojo please xx

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Aurora Wed 24 Apr 2019

8 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

Thanks!

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AussieFred Wed 24 Apr 2019

1 - 13 Litres @ £5
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 19 Litres @ £6
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Martin Evans Thu 25 Apr 2019

2 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
DU

[deactivated account] Thu 25 Apr 2019

2 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
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Giggletits Thu 25 Apr 2019

16 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

Thanks for sorting this! Greatly appreciated

AP

Anna P Thu 25 Apr 2019

1 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
AP

Anna P Thu 25 Apr 2019

1 - Pump @ £12.50
1 - 13 Litres @ £5
1 - 19 Litres @ £6
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Jenny Claire Thu 25 Apr 2019

2 - 13 Litres @ £5
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 19 Litres @ £6
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Papaspoof Thu 25 Apr 2019

3 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

For Michelle and me

SB

Stephen Brannigan Thu 25 Apr 2019

What are the pumps for?

NP

N Petz Thu 25 Apr 2019

17 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
DU

[deactivated account] Fri 26 Apr 2019

3 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
GS

Gemma Smith Sun 28 Apr 2019

3 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
GS

Gemma Smith Mon 29 Apr 2019

3 - 19 Litres @ £6
2 - 13 Litres @ £5
1 - Pump @ £12.50
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Giggletits Mon 29 Apr 2019

14 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

Thanks for sorting this! Greatly appreciated

NAW

Not A Witch Mon 29 Apr 2019

1 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
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Siren Mon 29 Apr 2019

hi team, we need the info for people not on loomio and not on facebook to order water. please can you give this to me asap. it's not in any of the emails you sent.

LS

Lizzie Shand Tue 30 Apr 2019

2 - 19 Litres @ £6
0 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
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Siren Tue 30 Apr 2019

11 - 19 Litres @ £6
2 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5

hi team, please can you also send me info for people not on loomio and not on facebook to order water. please can you give this to me asap. it's not in any of the emails you sent.

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Yon Tue 30 Apr 2019

5 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
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Simon Tue 30 Apr 2019

6 - 19 Litres @ £6
1 - Pump @ £12.50
0 - 13 Litres @ £5
ME

Martin Evans Thu 25 Apr 2019

When full the 19L bottles are quite heavy to manage, so the hand pump allows the weaker of us - like me - to get the watery goodness out easily.

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Martin Evans Thu 25 Apr 2019

I should add that Case Atkins has produced a marvellous list of water options on the NEST 2019 Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/204762193401063/permalink/478248642719082/

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Paula the cat Thu 25 Apr 2019

First timer question: for those with a theme camp, should we request water separately? Thanks!

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Martin Evans Sat 27 Apr 2019

What, each individual in a theme camp order their own? It would be more sensible to combine your order, especially if you're already doing communal budgety things.

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Paula the cat Sun 28 Apr 2019

Hello Martin, I am a newbie and that was my question. I assume I don’t need to order then, according to your reply. Thanks!

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Martin Evans Sun 28 Apr 2019

Paula, it will depend on what your camp is organising. If you're all ordering your water separately then yes, you'll have to each order your own water.
Note, this poll isn't the actual order, just an attempt by us to find out the general quantities required so that we can organise the deliveries with the company.

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Giggletits Sun 28 Apr 2019

The Dead Insides camp won't need most of the water till Wednesday, of that helps coordinate things with the company?

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Amandasm Wed 1 May 2019

Paula - if you're part of a camp you will have to ask your own camp about what their water plans are.

GS

Gemma Smith Fri 26 Apr 2019

I don't know if it's too early for this question but do you have an idea of when the water will be delivered to site? This info will inpact how much i would order.

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Martin Evans Sat 27 Apr 2019

It's likely to be in two deliveries as the company we're dealing with is uncomfortable with having that many bottles out at one time. So far we're aiming for Saturday and Wednesday or Thursday

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Tara Wed 1 May 2019

Hi guys, is there a spreadsheet up for this yet? No rush I just wanted to check in case I have missed it 😴

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Martin Evans Wed 1 May 2019

Not yet - coming soon

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Siren Wed 8 May 2019

comms with this coming out today! so please prep yourselves to fill in the form. xx

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Ax Wed 8 May 2019

Ah! Here’s me giving loomio people the scoop!