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Sun 25 Feb 2018 1:45PM

Pirate Kittens [IT] ; find and host libre tools that pirates need

I Ilja Public Seen by 45

Context:
There are several crews and squads in the pirate party using software tools to fit their needs. Taking initiative is always a good thing and we should encourage this! We should also understand that these people often want to go forward with their project, without having to think to much about the tools they use beyond their practical value. This often leads to the use of non-libre tools and/or tools hosted by companies who's values are at odds with values we have as pirates.

I believe the IT-squad should see it as their responsibility to identify the needs of those crews and squads and find and propose libre alternatives to these tools. This way people can focus on their own projects without having to bother with findig tools that are both practical AND libre.

Proposal:
Let's start a project with the IT-squad to identify what functionality several crews and squads need, list them, find alternatives, get feedback, refine..., and eventually implement/host/link to... these tools so that they are easy to find and use for everyone inside the pirate party.

Inspired by the chatons.org project where people host libre software for others to use, I propose to call this project 'Pirate Kittens'

wiki: https://wiki.pirateparty.be/Pirate_Kittens
pad: https://pad.pirateparty.be/p/pirate_kittens
mail: [email protected]

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Deleted account Wed 26 Sep 2018 8:16PM

Love it! I'm kind of advanced internet user but I don't think I can be as efficient and reliable as you are. That's the point. In case of major problem on yunohost, I am useless.

Anyway, I am really excited about yunohost and I will be happy to have these tools. It will be very useful to share our efforts efficiently.

Thanks guys.

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Ilja Sat 29 Sep 2018 3:20PM

liege.pirateparty.be :)
I've also send a request on Matrix

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Deleted account Sat 29 Sep 2018 3:50PM

Nice! And very quick. I'm impressed! Not too tricky to install?

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Ilja Sun 7 Oct 2018 4:16PM

Naah, installing ynh is pretty straitworward tbh[1]. Either you use the installer/image for whatever hardware you use or, if that's not an option (like was the case here), you can just install Debian and transform it into ynh with literately one command[2] :p
For the DNS records ynh gives 'recomended settings' in the admin panel, so tha's pretty straight-forward as well.

It was the first time I've set up a server for PPBE tho, so that was fun ^

[1] https://yunohost.org/#/install
[2] https://yunohost.org/#/install_manually

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Ilja Sat 13 Oct 2018 10:42AM

I closed this project on the wiki since I think the main purpose of the project has been reached[1]. Of course this doesn't mean you can't ask for services anymore, the ITSquad takes up that role now. If you like, you can still use this thread to contact us with questions or remarks about apps, services...

I also want to give a big thanks to anyone who has helped and contributed, be it by setting up stuff, helping out on a technical level, trying out stuff or just by making proposals and/or giving feedback!

[1] https://wiki.pirateparty.be/Pirate_Kittens#Conclusion

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Christophe Cop Fri 19 Oct 2018 12:20PM

Is there a good mailing list tool we could use? (for internal emails for all pirates in the province of Antwerp)
another tool we are considering is some version of Jira-like tool (to organise ourselves).
Any recommendations for that as well?

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Ilja Sat 20 Oct 2018 10:48AM

For the mailing list tool I'm gonna ask what @hgo thinks. I don't have experience in that, I think he has more experience in things like that.

For the JIRA-like thing. JIRA can do a lot, so it depends on what exactly you'll need/want to do. I think a good tool could be Kanboard[1]. It's much simpler than JIRA, but I the core is there. You have users, can create projects, create tasks, tag tasks, assign tasks to a user, follow the progress on a kanban board... You can also define your columns and easily drag and drop between columns. There's also the possibility of using LDAP (and if you like to have a nice integrated environment for all your apps, kanboard is packaged for yunohost[2] as well ;) ).
If I'm not mistaken Liège is using/trying out this as well so maybe @vanecx can elaborate more if you have specific use-cases you'd like to discuss.
A quick internet search also shows me that there is also some enterprise thing[3], but it seems to be in an "open-source version/closed source paid enterprise edition" business model. I usually try to keep away from free software developed under this business model because the incentive really is to make the open-source version significantly worse than the paid closed-source version.

[1] https://kanboard.org/
[2] https://yunohost.org/#/apps
[3] https://www.openproject.org/

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HgO Fri 26 Oct 2018 1:29PM

No I don't know any good mailing list tool that we could install. I mean, there exists some, but I never really tried to install them and they are not easy to install / configure.

Framasoft proposes a service called framalistes [1], which works pretty well (we use it in Crew BW). Otherwise, there is Riseup [2] and probably others…

[1] http://framalistes.org/
[2] https://riseup.net/en/lists

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Ilja Thu 3 Jan 2019 4:13PM

@christophecop I see two posts where you use google docs.
One at https://www.loomio.org/d/QE0vNd4W/vlaanderen-verkiezingen-2019
Another at https://www.loomio.org/d/jdCNx2Ii/piraten-campagne-boot-route-jullie-engagement

The second one is a spreadsheet, so we don't really have a good alternative to that (and I think the question asked is to open for https://parley.be/poll/ ). The first one however doesn't strike as something where a google doc has an advantage over etherpads. What exactly is it that keeps you on google-docs for that one? (Or in other words, what do you feel is missing in our pads?)
For the spreadsheet I'd also like to find an alternative sooner or later. Do you have any requirements that you really feel you need? I don't really use them, so I can't really judge on what would be good and what not.

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David Thu 3 Jan 2019 6:53PM

I'm just adding some information, as I went to look up what eelo uses to edit office documents like spreadsheets online, and then a colleague of mine provided some more info.

ONLYOFFICE (https://www.onlyoffice.com/) and Collabora Online (https://www.collaboraoffice.com/) are two online office solutions, both offer a web interface based on LibreOffice. Both are open source and you can run your own instance. ONLYOFFICE can integrate with ownCloud (https://owncloud.org/), NextCloud (https://nextcloud.com/), and a number of other platforms, and they offer paid hosting services themselves. Collabora Online offers just software and support, but ownCloud is supported and they seem to be the default app to edit office documents on NextCloud.

Another project I follow is /e/, previously called eelo, site: https://e.foundation/. They want to provide an open and privacy oriented mobile phone OS. But as openness and privacy in mobile phones nowadays is less about the local OS and more about all the cloud services which are used (as most Android phones are tightly linked to Google services, and iOS to Apple), they want to also provide an open server (cloud) ecosystem. They host those services themselves, but as everything is open, you have the option to host your own server too. They try to use existing OSS projects as much as possible, so I saw they are integrating NextCloud in their ecosystem.

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