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Thu 13 Oct 2016 2:39PM

Pirates and the automated human

JD Jonas Degrave Public Seen by 390

Let's start a project to assemble and collect information on the automated human. The goal is
- in the first place to set up a repository with accessible information on the topic.
- in the second place, a document with solutions for the government. A programme if you will.
- in the third place, a website (and/or a video) to distribute the information, explain people what is the problem, and propose our solutions.

This is the problem:
http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/archief/De_overheid_zoekt_miljarden_Hier_zijn_ze.9819342-1615.art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lycD8CuNmE

The automated human is coming. How should Belgium/Europe react?

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Vincent Thu 3 Nov 2016 11:06AM

Would you say this project addresses one aspect of the problem?
https://www.gnu.org/software/gneuralnetwork/

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Jonas Degrave Thu 3 Nov 2016 11:34AM

Well, I bet people for who GNU is the only valid source of open software would think that. In practice, almost all code for neural networks is now already under MIT or BSD license (because developed in universities). I myself am contributor to some of those, as I am doing a Phd in the neural network & robotics field.

Also, some of the features on that page are reasons why this project is doomed to fail (C instead of Python, no gradient descent or deep learning, ...)

I am more thinking along the lines of digital government / basic income / ...

Right now, the media sees Geert Noels and godforbid Etienne Vermeersch as the 'experts' in the digital future. I think it would be easy to profile someone from the party as an actual expert in these fields.

I know I could easily profile myself as expert on this problem, but would like some minor motion of trust in advance to push this issue.

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Christophe Cop Thu 3 Nov 2016 2:34PM

You get my trust

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Vincent Thu 3 Nov 2016 3:17PM

Mine, too.

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Christophe Cop Thu 3 Nov 2016 2:34PM

I work as as a data scientist, currently helping to improve and automate government processes (as a consultant).
I hope to make many jobs obsolete ;-) (and to some extent welcome the AI overlords, given they deeply care for all lifeforms)

But on a whole: this revolution can't be seen without the need for a basic income, and other aspects such as ecology (technology is a huge part of the solution).

So if I can help, let me know.

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Pat Seynaeve Fri 4 Nov 2016 9:26AM

In my opinion, in stead of investing mountains of money in AI, we first should solve poverty, slavery, a less agressive economy and a global financial system that doesn't stimulates greed.
Since this planet is out of balance due to human economics, human life can end within 100-150 year.
Priority now is to free our slaves and solve poverty and keep the peace.
But if we need a specialist about digital future, then you have my trust, so kick their ass.
But keep in mind: future will end soon.

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Vincent Fri 4 Nov 2016 12:44PM

Problem solving is something an AI can do in ways we wouldn't be able to understand.

We'd better make sure the AI's focus on the issues you've mentioned, just in case someone would want to make them find out how to destroy any designated target instead.

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Josse Fri 4 Nov 2016 6:24PM

People post a lot of information already on fb and loomio, but nothing is done with it. Talking about AI, AI should not have a difficult task of categorizing them. You can easily retrieve everything from a fb e.g. in a json. About AI, I have heard that the most difficult things are still to come and that it won't go all that fast. Meanwhile wrt climate change, ... the problems are huge. So not sure, we will automate like that, but sure we can do much more. It would be good that an expert like Jonas could indicate at what time he thinks which thinks will be realizable as to be able to how we think politics should react to that. This could form some interesting articles for on the website which might be used as a base for further communication about the topic.

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HgO Sun 6 Nov 2016 9:43AM

I'm not sure to understand completely what is the "automated human" issue :/ Are we talking about robotization ? or is there something else ? Do you have some resources in English / French ? :)

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