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It has been decided that the Code of Conduct proposed on June 18th should be revised and a new version submitted to the membership for approval. This thread is for discussion of revisions to the Code of Conduct.
The proposed code of conduct is here:
Version 2.1 https://pad.disroot.org/p/Social.Coop_Code_of_Conduct_V2.1#

(version 2.0 -- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YNXdnDTRz897rXRHoTGwaeoFfZI7-_cwplF2qvy-W8Q/edit#)

Draft Reporting Guidelines are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZTXsGuWNTe5X6z_DytJZTbjOyJUT4HlvPPnfmbuPEw/edit

MN

Matt Noyes Fri 22 Jun 2018

As @matthewcropp noted, "Five folks have stepped up as willing to coordinate moving the process forward: @wolftune, @mattnoyes, @robertbenjamin, @nev, and @stephaniejokent" - all social.coop members are welcome to participate.

MN

Matt Noyes Fri 22 Jun 2018

Shall we set a target date for completion? Any suggestions?

RB

Robert Benjamin Fri 22 Jun 2018

Possibly might we spend a moment on what the process might be to bringing the revised version of the CoC (and hopefully Reporting & Enforcement Guidelines) through the feedback, editing, and re-submission? This might better inform us as to what a good staged timeline to completion might be.

Previously the process (from where I had visibility) was Video Conference Call, Coordinator Draft, open period of comments (with editing suggestions), Video Conference Call, Coordinator wrap up edits based on general sense of notes consensus, submit to working group for final look, submit proposal to Main Group for vote.

I am curious if there are ideas out there for alternative routes that would allow for the high degree of feedback, consensus building, while still somewhat efficiently pushing forward the documents towards completion and submission.

For example @meltheadorable mentioned some reservations about using Video Conference calls? Are there other options to provide the same type of feedback?

One thing we could look at to start the process might be to do some Polls with comments on the level of acceptance for each sections of the CoC similar to what Matt is doing for the Jury idea.

In any case interested in what @stephaniejokent and @nev may suggest from a coordination point of view as they weren't as active in previous rounds of CoC edits?

MB

Manuela Bosch Fri 22 Jun 2018

I might be able to support the process design, as this is my profession, even though I am less experienced in online-process-design. I can imagine to help thinking through the process with the coordinators here in a call, in case it feels to you it could be helpful.

DU

[deactivated account] Sat 23 Jun 2018

"Previously the process (from where I had visibility) was Video Conference Call, Coordinator Draft, open period of comments (with editing suggestions), Video Conference Call, Coordinator wrap up edits based on general sense of notes consensus, submit to working group for final look, submit proposal to Main Group for vote."

[sorry, don't know how to "quote" things on loomio well so just copied and pasted from @robertbenjamin's post]

I think this sounds right, though I don't remember the step towards the end: "submit to working group for final look" before submitting proposal to main group. Did that happen and I just missed it? I recall there being a video call and then just seeing the CoC given to the main group. But I may not have caught that other step.

I think the idea of polls on acceptance of parts of the CoC might work, particularly since some comments may be made and then on a synchronous call the group decides not to take some of them on board...but it may turn out that those issues were quite important for a lot of people not just the one that made the comment.

I agree that the video calls can be a problem just because of time zones and who can make the calls. Whatever we can do to increase our capacity to get a sense of the level of support from the working group will help (not just the level of support from those who made comments or could make the call; some may have seen comments on the doc that they agreed with and didn't speak up because, well, the comment has already been made).

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Ed Summers Fri 22 Jun 2018

I also think it would be useful to see a summary of the issues with the current draft that came up in previous discussion, and which prompted the revision.

RB

Robert Benjamin Fri 22 Jun 2018

Any suggestions of how that could be best accomplished? Maybe pull quotes from every Disagree/Block vote (without names) and put in one doc for review? IS that something you might want to take on?

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Ed Summers Fri 22 Jun 2018

Sure I could do that. Do you mean from this loomio thread? https://www.loomio.org/d/o1nThK68/code-of-conduct are there other places where people talked about it that would be good to pull from? Unfortunately I didn't participate in the video calls, and my sense was that most of the discussion happened there.

ES

Ed Summers Sat 23 Jun 2018

On second thought, not having been involved in any of the conversations I don't think it's really my place to characterize them.

RB

Robert Benjamin Sun 24 Jun 2018

Yes sticky widget but maybe there a way to compile direct quotes that pertain to disagreement on the previous draft without characterizing them. Might save some energy for members not wanting to rehash what they said and give a clearer picture of why the Proposal did not pass but by no means a must have as the it should be an open inclusive participation process from here to ratifying the next version.

MN

Matt Noyes Sun 24 Jun 2018

Maybe it would help to copy and paste them into the CoC and Reporting Guidelines drafts?

RB

Robert Benjamin Sun 24 Jun 2018

Maybe a stand alone reference doc would be better. That way it doesn't become the sole focus of the revisions. There are many others who weren't part of the previous iterations that may come to weigh in and they should be afforded the ability to interface with the drafts as they stand (or as they progress depending on their timing).

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Sat 23 Jun 2018

I agree with @edsummers that it would be constructive and "useful to see a summary of the issues with the current draft that came up in previous discussion, and which prompted the revision."

Thanks Ed, for being willing to review and collect those sentiments, suggestions, critiques, etc.

I have served on the Code of Conduct development committee for professional American Sign Language interpreters. Not sure if that'll be particularly relevant; just disclosing. Boundaries are a big deal in terms of respecting autonomy, individuality, cultural differences etc, knowing when to mediate (leave it be for interactants to work through or help with reframing or some other repair strategy), and when discipline is needed (holding the line on the permissability/impermissability of a particular behavior).

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Robert Benjamin Sun 24 Jun 2018

Thank you. Seems very relevant and glad to have your contributions to the process.

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Sat 23 Jun 2018

The thread on Content Warnings may be relevant? https://www.loomio.org/d/d8zrZIVb/content-warnings-anonymous-poll

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Sat 23 Jun 2018

Also, I see that @mayel mentioned something happening in a thread on Block and Abstain....I can't locate that thread; not sure how it ties in to CoC (except in a general way)...?

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Wed 27 Jun 2018

Hi all -- where we at? I have a bunch of notes that I gleaned from some previous threads. @edsummers are you gathering something similar?

I'm wondering if the Code should begin with a kind of disclaimer ... e.g.,

"We've sought to anticipate areas of concern and have provided clear guidelines for what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior within social coop/mastodon. We expect that things will arise which we have not foreseen or which we have not yet clarified the boundaries. Please be advised that if you post something deemed questionable and NOT already covered, there will be an open (?) process using your posting as the flashpoint for defining appropriate/inappropriate behavior."

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Ed Summers Wed 27 Jun 2018

Hi Stephanie -- since I haven't participated in the discussions I didn't feel comfortable trying to characterize them. But I'm glad you have posted them as comments to the doc, that's the perfect place!

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Wed 27 Jun 2018

Ah, @edsummers I see your additional comment. I disagree, however! We need outside eyeballs on the process and construction, not just insiders :)

MN

Matt Noyes Thu 28 Jun 2018

Hi Stephanie! Great to see your comments. I was talking with Manuela and she suggested setting up a call so we can get back in motion on this. Your comments are helpful for getting us started up again.

MN

Matt Noyes started a time poll Thu 28 Jun 2018

Phone chat about Code of Conduct process Closed Sat 7 Jul 2018

Outcome
by Matt Noyes Sun 8 Jul 2018

The best time for our chat about the Code of Conduct has been determined.

A 90min about figuring out the best process from A: were we currently are with the CoC and B: where we need to get to in order to go fully operational.
(If none of the times work, feel free to add options -- you can do that at the bottom of the poll.)
Dates/times listed are for your local time zone. ;-)

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Mon 9 Jul 2018, 08:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
Mon 9 Jul 2018, 10:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
7
Mon 9 Jul 2018, 15:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
7
Mon 9 Jul 2018, 21:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
Tue 10 Jul 2018, 08:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2
Tue 10 Jul 2018, 11:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
6
Tue 10 Jul 2018, 15:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
6
Tue 10 Jul 2018, 21:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
6
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 08:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 10:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 15:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
4
Fri 13 Jul 2018, 21:00
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Thu 28 Jun 2018

Wed 11 Jul 2018
Tue 10 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018

I'm trusting that Loomio adjusted the times for my geographic location, right?

MB

Manuela Bosch Thu 28 Jun 2018

Fri 13 Jul 2018
Fri 13 Jul 2018
Tue 10 Jul 2018
Tue 10 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018

I did not vote for the for me very early or very late times (5am and 11pm), but if the majority here chooses them, I would try to make them happen.

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Simon Grant Thu 28 Jun 2018

Tue 10 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018

Sorry this is a really tricky week for me, but I would very much like to participate in future weeks. Don't worry if you leave me out this time, I'll contribute on the thread.

RB

Robert Benjamin Tue 3 Jul 2018

Tue 10 Jul 2018
Tue 10 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018
Mon 9 Jul 2018

This call is to discuss the process to bring this draft of the CoC through correct? Not to dive into the particulars of the CoC?

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Simon Grant Thu 28 Jun 2018

Hello -- I'm new to this thread and indeed to the community working group. I'm drawn to this thread through deep interest and experience in governance as well as wellbeing, and their interaction. I would be delighted to see something restorative being put together (or, following Enspiral "transformative") which did not have an "offender" being "punished" with "exclusion" as an end point, but with a healing process that, if at all possible, brought any one who strays back into the fold, with acceptance and some joy. Sure, as a starting point we need quick and decisive actions to prevent harm from proliferating. It's what we do after that, short term and longer term, that matters dearly to me. Simple permanent exclusion heals nothing. What does heal? What brings people back into connection, so that their contribution can again be valued? Or see it another way: what do we imagine as the context of the Code of Conduct?

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Aaron Wolf Fri 29 Jun 2018

Yeah, I'm the one that brought up Restorative Justice, a movement I learned about recently but embrace deeply. The details and concepts aren't that simple, but it's far more human than bureaucratic. https://restorativejustice.org/ seems to be the best resource though I don't like their site design (makes it hard to get to the meat of it).

I'd like to see those values fully worked into this (and I don't think any CoC has done that yet).

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Matt Noyes Fri 29 Jun 2018

Aaron, can you be on the call?

MN

Matt Noyes Fri 29 Jun 2018

@meltheadorable Can you make the phone call?

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent Sat 7 Jul 2018

Ya’all—what’s happening with the phone call? @mattnoyes

MN

Matt Noyes Sat 7 Jul 2018

Looks like our best time is probably the third slot on June 9th, given that Aaron and Melody are both available and have played important roles in the discussion. If there are no objections today, I will post that outcome. @manuelabosch any possibility of that slot for you?

MB

Manuela Bosch Sun 8 Jul 2018

Hi all. Matt N. and I talked about running this call to develop a proposal for a process on how to bring the CoC to a point to go operational. So it's about figuring out together a good way on how to further work on this. It's not to work on CoC itself!

I propose to structure the call as follows. It's how I usually work with groups to figure out solutions everyone can agree on. I am open to do it differently, too.
Arrival & CHECK-IN Round (10min)
1: RECAP What do we already have achieved? What are the current complex questions? (10min)
2: VISION: Collecting ideas on how run/finish this process best. (20min)
3: FOCUS/TASKS: Sorting, prioritizing the ideas (20min)
4: Discuss STEPS/TIMELINE (25min)
CHECK-OUT (5min)

Would be great if someone could prepare 1: Recap and send it around before the call. Who would like to do that?
I would prepare facilitation as proposed, if I hear no concerns.
We can use this Zoom link https://zoom.us/j/9237018313
For the time of the call: yes, we can go for the third option on Monday 9th, it will be late for me, 11pm, I hope I am still fit enough :-)

MN

Matt Noyes started a check Sun 8 Jul 2018

Code of Conduct Zoom chat Closed Mon 9 Jul 2018

We will be meeting on Monday, June 9th, at 10:00am (MDT) 16:00 (UTC) 01:00 (Tokyo)... https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20180709&p1=398&p2=248&p3=136&p4=248&p5=215&p6=111

Please indicate if you will participate. See the proposed agenda here: https://www.loomio.org/d/BZD354ne/return-to-code-of-conduct/48

6 - Yes
3 - No
AW

Aaron Wolf
Yes
Sun 8 Jul 2018

I will need to push to get through earlier routines but should make it. Side note: "UMT" confused me, that's not a standard acronym. The standard is called UTC.

DU

[deactivated account]
No
Sun 8 Jul 2018

Will be at work/in a meeting at that time, unfortunately. Wish I could make it.

MB

Manuela Bosch
Yes
Sun 8 Jul 2018

looking forward.

MK

Michele Kipiel
Yes
Sun 8 Jul 2018

If by 16.00UMT you mean 16.00UTC (ie. 18CEST) then I can make it :)

RB

Robert Benjamin
No
Mon 9 Jul 2018

Might be able to make the later portion of the call.

SJK

Stephanie Jo Kent
Yes
Mon 9 Jul 2018

Just tried to connect but no one is on the call—I may be confused about the time. Am traveling; not as free as I had hoped

MB

Manuela Bosch Sun 8 Jul 2018

6 PM Berlin Time ist it. Great. Just in case here again the Zoom link where we meet: https://zoom.us/j/9237018313

MK

Michele Kipiel Sun 8 Jul 2018

Shouldn't that be JULY 9th? :) Also, 16 UTC seems doable I'll do my best to be home by that time.

MN

Matt Noyes Mon 9 Jul 2018

June 9th UMT = July 9th UTC (!!)

MN

Matt Noyes Mon 9 Jul 2018

Stephanie, sorry for the confusion. The call is 50 minutes from now, at 16:00 UTC. Hope you can join.

MN

Matt Noyes Mon 9 Jul 2018

Code of Conduct chat live now: https://zoom.us/j/9237018313

AW

Aaron Wolf Mon 9 Jul 2018

Sorry I missed the call, lost track of time in morning routine! :slight_frown:

MN

Matt Noyes Tue 10 Jul 2018

We missed you but will soon be in touch...