Loomio
Tue 30 Dec 2014 1:44AM

Alternative uses for proposals - examples in the wild

AI Alanna Irving Public Seen by 230

I have noticed in Loomio groups I'm a part of that people use the proposal feature for some alternative use cases besides a deliberative decision. I'm wondering if this is happening in other groups and what we can learn from it.

Here are some examples:

  • the "roll call" - asking people to green thumb to confirm they have received some important information, like "yes I understand we now must submit invoices using this new process"
  • the "engagement check" - often seen with posting documents, as in "green thumb if you have read the minutes from the last meeting" or "green thumb when you've completed this request"
  • the "RSVP" - posting an event and seeing who us coming, as in "I am coming to the planning session on Wednesday"
  • the "poll" - redefining the meaning of the thumbs in the text, as in "What should we name the new meeting room? Green = X, Yellow = Y, Red = Z"

I am the first person to defend the :"purity" of the statements of position and the need to keep Loomio focused on the problem we're here to solve - online decision-making. But obviously the wider needs of group collaboration are showing here. I wonder what we can do to provide alternatives so that when a real decision is on the table, that space has been kept for that purpose, and people aren't creating a lot of noise by "hacking" the proposal system to generate a lot of notifications that drown out the important ones (i.e. decisions).

Have you observed this in your groups? Do you think that different options for the proposal area (eg, you could change to "roll call" or "event RSVP") would be a good thing, or would we lose the focus on decision-making? We have discussed many related topics, like polls and being able to customise the thumb labels... but I've always worried that this will lead to groups slipping into simply using majority-rules decision-making, which kind of defeats the whole purpose.

MB

Matthew Bartlett Sat 31 Jan 2015 12:41AM

Unsure but I guess it is 0–9. Does it matter?

GC

Greg Cassel Sat 31 Jan 2015 12:46AM

Well yeah I think that 8-9 proposals is a world away from 0, but that really depends on how active a group is.

My personal experience, as someone who's known Loomio for less than four months, is that the ability to create proposals has a really 'shaping' effect on conversations. People talk things out to see whether or not a proposal is viable. I think that's great. A conversation which results in no proposal can contain great communication and learning.

I've also come to think of Loomio very much in relation to Cobudget, even though I haven't used Cobudget yet. They're soooo complementary. Cobudget is a great way to 'gamify' the collective proportions of interest in different ideas. Loomio is the best way I know to create non-coercive "yes/no" propositional agreements, which have their place.

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Presley Sat 31 Jan 2015 1:39AM

@matthewbartlett do you know the criteria for "success" used for that data set?

MB

Matthew Bartlett Sat 31 Jan 2015 2:34AM

I'd guess it just means a group member has visited the group in the last 30 days.

DR

Derek Razo Sun 1 Feb 2015 2:36AM

@matthewbartlett - can you let us know what "active" means in this context?

It would be great to see this graph compared to corresponding group's number of discussions.

I you have 10 decisions and 10 discussions that's pretty good :)

MB

Matthew Bartlett Sun 1 Feb 2015 8:42PM

@derekrazo active = visited at least once in the last 30 days. I've mucked around with various charts but I think this is the most helpful one. It's a really interesting distribution.

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mix irving Sun 1 Feb 2015 11:33PM

@matthewbartlett that's a sweet sweet graph. Look at that juicy outlier ..
Can you do that thing where you slap an arrow on showing some groups we're in / know