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Tue 9 Jan 2018

P2P and Open Source Things (a p2p type of Initiative)

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Jose Carlos Urra Public Seen by 499

Group of Designers in the Netherlands motivated by open coops, p2p, the commons and developing open source circular products

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Jose Carlos Urra Tue 9 Jan 2018

Hi there! My name is Jose, I am a big fan of P2P foundation since some years. I have been also collaborating with OSCEdays and Open Source Ecology, for almost a year. I am interested in making things happen in the economic sphere and applying the economic strategies of P2P, and other similar initiatives. Currently we are preparing to launch a campaign for an open source microwave to start with a simple products, but we are interested in open source consumer goods.

Beside this we are preparing a campaign perk, which is an e-Book about p2p, to get people involved. The idea behind this project is not just to build open source things. We see it as an experiment aiming to find out if:

  1. We can use crowdfunding not just to pay the costs, but to reach a level of reciprocity in paying development hours.
  2. Establish an open coop that can sustain and grow their economic operations.
  3. And eventually circulate open source goods and get involved in the value chain of the manufacturing and distribution process.

I share some images from the e-book, and would love to hear what you think. Please do not share yet the illustrations and promote the campaign, since we are not launching yet. I made the illustrations and the book myself.

What are your thoughts? Are you interested in engaging also with economic operations beyond research? Is there another space in the P2P Foundation ecosystem to allocate such idea? We are also interested in the theory behind this discussion.

Regards,

Jose

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Michel Bauwens Tue 9 Jan 2018

dear Jose,

I am copying stacco and ann-marie to have a look at your ebook, which I didn't succeed in downloading myself,

great initiatives, if we can report on it to help, let stacco and ann-marie know,

Michel

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Jose Carlos Urra Tue 9 Jan 2018

Hi Michel, we are still reviewing the book. I can send you a copy, but I am trying to not circulate it yet for the public. Is this thread is private enough? Otherwise I can send it via email.

But I definitely want to be articulated with P2P I am big fan. I am also a reader of political economy, maybe a lot of the empathy comes from there :)

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Jose Carlos Urra Thu 11 Jan 2018

Let me know if you received the version I sent you via email. I sent it to this address: michelsub2004@gmail.com , you can also share it with Stacco and Ann-Marie

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Stacco Troncoso Tue 9 Jan 2018

Wow Jose Carlos, those illustrations are beautiful! We do collaborate in projects which are not necessarily research based so sure, keep us in the loop. Also, when the book is ready to promote, email us so we can reflect it in the blog. Great initiative!

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Jose Carlos Urra Tue 9 Jan 2018

For sure I will keep you posted. Thanks!

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Michel Bauwens Thu 11 Jan 2018

ok, not seen it yet, but I will check today! thanks a lot

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Jose Carlos Urra Thu 1 Feb 2018

Hi all! We are officially launching the campaign and project of open source appliances. I attach the links to the campaign content and the video. You are very welcome to participate in also shaping the strategy, since this is basically an experimental domain. Our concerns go beyond making something open source, and really try to articulate political-economy, business models towards open cooperativism, as well as scaling up this initiatives using p2p infrastructures or platforms (airbnb, uber, like infrastructures).

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Michel Bauwens Thu 1 Feb 2018

thanks, will check it out!

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Stacco Troncoso Thu 1 Feb 2018

Hi @joseurra86, we'll feature the campaign in the P2P Foundation blog in the following weeks. Love the video!

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Jose Carlos Urra Thu 1 Feb 2018

Awesome @staccotroncoso , Many Thanks! and is nice to hear that you liked the video! If you have any ideas, or want to know more about how we are approaching the topic let me know, same for the rest.

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Jose Carlos Urra Mon 12 Feb 2018

Thanks a lot @staccotroncoso and @p2p, very much appreciated! I will send you the latest version of the book to you and Michel, if you want to share it with someone else feel free. I hope you enjoy the last version, and also maybe if you have some feedback on the content, it will be very much welcome.
The book itself is an interesting project, which can be either an encyclopedia, or maybe a magazine with different releases, per time... If you have some thoughts they will be very welcome.

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Jose Carlos Urra Mon 12 Feb 2018

Send me your email by the way, I don't have it

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Stacco Troncoso Mon 12 Feb 2018

Fantastic, thank you Jose Carlos! Our emails are Michel/Stacco AT p2pfoundation.net Cheers!

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Jose Carlos Urra Wed 28 Feb 2018

Hi Stacco and Michel, I hope you are doing good. Just wanted to share that we were accepted for the Mozilla Open Leadership Program. Is an interested experience. I am a big fun of p2p-Foundation, many of the ideas we are using come from seeing different videos from Michel and reading the wiki. Do you some way in which through our project we could also help-collaborate with p2p? I was also wondering what you think about the content of the book we passed to you, if the content is good enough to make a review from your side? This can help in creating awareness and connections for both initiatives.
Let me know what you think.

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Michel Bauwens Wed 28 Feb 2018

dear Jose Carlos,

I think we can certainly review your publication, but perhaps not this week as we are in a fullweek retreat. Stacco who is our editorial and advocacy coordinator can certainly give an idea as to timing,

as for possible cooperation, I would look forward to it, but my march agenda is hopelessly full, so I would suggest we organize a joint skype with Stacco and look for a date after march,

Michel

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Jose Carlos Urra Thu 1 Mar 2018

Great Michel, Thanks a lot. I look forward! Jose

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Jose Carlos Urra Fri 20 Apr 2018

Hi all! We have been working hard with Mozilla Foundation to make our project more open. We are organizing a physical and virtual hackathon to teach people p2p tools. Github, git and collaborative design workflows. If you know of people and groups interested please share the links.
https://github.com/goscommons/goscommons.github.io/issues/6
https://www.facebook.com/events/1317379968406127/

We will basically start documenting machines, and opening the design documentation and development process in github. Something that hasn´t happened yet, with machines like industrial and consumer machines. So far wikis are being used to publish documentation but they turn out to be inneficiend tools for development workflows, that demand of other services github offers. Overall we think git is the tool to go, is much more flexible and scalable.

Any thoughts , reflections, or feedback are very much welcome!
Best,
Jose

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Michel Bauwens Fri 20 Apr 2018

I realize @Staccotroncoso has not been copied in this conversation to organize this conversation, so he's in cc now

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Jose Carlos Urra Wed 25 Apr 2018

Michel I follow your talks a lot, and we are currently thinking of a licensing strategies trying to address the issues you point in your talks and texts. We are currently promoting a model of CC with non commercial attributions, to be able to actually bargain with our commons pools. Do you have any thoughts or have some time to meet and talk about it.
We are basically following your "model for the commons", and we are specially interested in a communal valorization model that could unfold from the intangible commons we are creating.

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Michel Bauwens Wed 25 Apr 2018

Dear Jose,

I haven't followed the latest implementations as I should as I have been overwhelmed lately,

Kevin is in cc because he knows Liam of the CultureBank project, who has done some thinking about valorization processes,

copyfair license expert is Lionel Maurel, who understands english but can't converse to his satisfaction, he's been working with la coop des communs, who have been developing a copyfair license for their own use; Nicole, who knows english, is in cc,

I have some difficulty into organizing any conversations before May 9 myself,

3 links with info:

Michel

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Jose Carlos Urra Thu 26 Apr 2018

Thanks Michel. Are these friends also on loomio? Or your cc to them go outside the loop of loomio? I was reading the coyfair proposal, how different it would be from CC BY-NC-SA 2.0?

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Jose Carlos Urra Sun 6 May 2018

Hi @michelbauwens1, we are currently negotiating with a manufacturer, and it has been difficult to convince them to go open source. It is a tractor manufacturer, that allows other manufacturers to manufacture his design, but they don't allow to distribute the source of the know-how. We most likely wont' follow the proposal, but I would like if possible to have a call with you to give you more details. We want to start a kind of business aligned with your models of openness, and the open cooperative vision you have mentioned. Let me know if you have time.

Thanks in advance,

Jose

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Michel Bauwens Sun 6 May 2018

it's always a very hard sell, but David Li has very good 'commercial' arguments, showing how essential the productive commons were for the development of China and Shenzen in particular,

There are of course examples like Arduino etc ...

Michel

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Michel Bauwens Sun 6 May 2018

my own email for this discussion is michelsub2004 at gmail, my skype is p2pfound1 and I'm on belgian time until mid-june

Michel

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Jose Carlos Urra Tue 22 May 2018

Hi Michel, we are progressing relatively fast. We have set up kind of an open source task force group and initiative. Inspired in your p2p foundation proposals and discussions we have come up with a model that is working out. I am up for a call whenever you have time, to also show you the progress. This is our organization design repositories: https://github.com/goscommons,

But also I am trying to setup a partnership and find an investor for a first open hardware cnc laser cutter for metal.

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Michel Bauwens Tue 22 May 2018

dear Jose,

the people I mentioned were in cc in my previous email and are not necessarily on Loomio, so I would suggest connecting with them directly via email,

Michel

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Michel Bauwens Tue 22 May 2018

dear Jose,

I am fully busy with travelling, workshopping and lecturing until June 1

if it's not urgent, actually, July is best for me , then I'm home in chiangmai with nobody to see

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Jose Carlos Urra Tue 2 Apr 2019

Hi p2pers :)
I wanted to share some of our progress: https://go-commons.gitlab.io/prometea/

I am a big follower, fan and student of p2p foundation. I would love to collaborate more tightly with p2p foundation.

Looking forward,
Jose

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Danyl Strype Tue 19 Nov 2019

Hi Jose, I wonder if you have been following the progress of the Purism and Pine64 companies? They have also been taking crowdfunded or community-based approaches to producing open hardware, including laptops and mobile devices. A collection of detailed case studies on organizations like yours - what worked, what didn't, what you would do differently if your were starting afresh now etc - would be really valuable.