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Sat 29 Apr 2017 7:28AM

How to drive the commons into the mainstream.

SC Simon Carter Public Seen by 122

I was chatting to someone recently who described himself as a communist, but he sounded to me like an anarchist, Both words are of course politically loaded, but if you combine them do you get commonist? J Edgar Hoover apparently said this: "Senator, I think that commonism is as serious a menace to the United States as it ever was if not more so.". Do we have one word that would describe our advocacy?. Might that word me commonist?. It's not one I have seen widely used, but it occurs to me that more & more people describing themselves as such might be a good way to raise the conversation. I suspect many would say, 'don't you mean communist'?. A cogent explanation of the differences might create a movement free from the baggage associated with such terms as communist or anarchist. I also think it might blindside the Establishment at a time when their propaganda is increasingly seen for what it is..

MN

miguel novik Tue 30 May 2017 8:06AM

Thanks.
BTW I couldn´t find it. Can you send me the link? thanks.
Left libertarians it seems to me that aims to spread some ideas, but there is no a concrete current proposal to make a change in the way I live.

NS

Nicolas Stampf Tue 30 May 2017 8:44AM

If you're talking of the United Earth initiative, then I think this is the entry group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/479270368875302/?fref=ts

MN

miguel novik Tue 30 May 2017 10:41AM

I joined the page. Thanks,
but again, I did not find mechanisms to live according to the values ¨we profess¨.
...maybe you see something I do not see...

NS

Nicolas Stampf Tue 30 May 2017 6:05AM

@miguelnovik there is no one single project that can move us into that "light global, heavy local" paradigm as far as I know, although some strive for a global movement or coordination (eg united Earth on Facebook though it doesn't seems very active ; besides I'm guilty of having imagined one myself).

Indeed, because we are so much people on Earth and so scattered (despite internet) means that all initiatives start small.

I used to think that some systemic model like Stafford Bert's Viable System Model could support and interconnect all initiatives. I still convinced it can, but the way I see Commons being taken care of, and P2P structures emerging make it unlikely to come into reality.

Coordination will probably a lot more messy, but will indeed happen, like ecosystems have coordinated evolution of their parts, without hierarchy or Central control whatsoever.

We humans need to accept that.

MN

miguel novik Tue 30 May 2017 9:37AM

you are right that It seems that I am looking for ¨a single global solution project¨.
and as you says it doesn´t seems to be realistic....

However we want to generate changes in the current system...
As you said:
...¨creating one's own playfield and show (by changing oneself in that playfield) what works.¨

In your words I understand that a playfield allows you (and all members) to change yourselves...

That is exactly what I am looking for.... the mechanism to enable my own change in the way I relate with others...
.....to enable ¨think global and produce local¨
.....to enable ¨Commons-based peer production¨.

Even I do believe that in our coop we could be walking to enable this reality, it is hard to start from 0....

If in ¨our playfields¨ (or projects) have the same targets, and want to enable a new concrete relationship between members, we should be able to replicate some mechanism and help to each other.

I keep the hope.

DS

Danyl Strype Thu 1 Jun 2017 10:05AM

There's no way I know of to change the whole world overnight. Even the most revolutionary changes begin with small groups of people, trying out new ideas in sandboxes of their own creation, sometimes sacrificing convenience to do so (or even their health). Large-scale change occurs when these sandboxes increase in number, involve more people, and different kinds of sandboxes join up their inputs and outputs, forming new kinds of exchange systems. Here are two quite different examples from history.

The Spanish revolution between the two world wars began with years of building up unions, cooperatives, and other new kinds of organisations, and joining them up into networks of solidarity. By the time what most people think of as the "Spanish civil war" got started between the republicans (and their stalinist, troskist, and anarchist allies) and the fascists, huge numbers of people had been organising both economically and politically for about 40 years. The ability of Anti-capitalist milita to push fascist forces (and later republican/ stalinist forces) out of large areas of Spain and formally collectivize them in democratic federations, came out of these decades of networking up small-scale organising. It took massive military aid from Franco's fascist neighbours in Europe (and allies elsewhere), the Stalinist-controlled USSR, and the "democratic" capitalist countries, to put down the revolution in one relatively small country.

A more recent example is the software freedom movement. This started with one group, the GNU Project, proposing a radically different way of thinking about and using software. When I got involved around the end of the 1990s, it was still a relatively tiny movement, with only a handful of active groups (FSF, OSI, Apache Foundation, OpenOffice.org and other "open source" projects at Sun). Over the last 20 years there has been an explosion of interest, new advocacy groups (eg FSF Europe and Free Software Conservancy), new projects (eg Ubuntu, GNU Social/ Mastodon, Loomio!). There's still a lot of transition still do do, but GNU-Linux is being used in the vast majority of webservers and datacentres, a Linux (kernel) based OS in now dominant on mobile devices (Android-Linux), and although MacOS and iOS have proprietary layers wrapped around them, tying them into Apple products in as many areas as they can manage, free code (BSD, Webkit etc) has been used under the hood of both.

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Draft Sat 17 Jun 2017 10:18PM

I didn't read all the comments so maybe it has been mentionned. But I guess the first thing to do is to make a proper documentation about :
- What's a common ?
- How to build a common ?
- How to transform a non-common into a common ?

And I think the best platform to make that is https://en.wikiversity.org

I'd like to know if there is documentation about it somewhere on the internet ?

SC

Simon Carter Sun 18 Jun 2017 9:59AM

That link does not want to work for me, but I have to agree a quality documentary answering the questions you highlight is needed & is conscious by it's absence. If It exists, I would love to watch it. If it doesn't then we definitely need one. The first step would be someone to write it with pragmatism in mind.

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Draft Sun 18 Jun 2017 11:48AM

The link works now ;)

I felt like doing it, so, if someone wants to help me on that, he can :D

I'm gonna open a thread in loomio for that

I guess the first would be : having a decent documenation about how we work. If there is one somewhere just tell me ;)

SC

Simon Carter Sun 18 Jun 2017 11:58AM

I'll watch out for that thread. It would be great to have one with such a clear end goal,

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