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February 22nd, 2017 11:26

CoTech Retreat 2017

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)
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Hi everyone,
I've been in touch with Wortley Hall to see if we can use the venue again for this year's event and we have a provisional booking for 3 nights and 2 days 27-29 November for 49 rooms plus the ballroom and Henry Collins lecture room - same as last year.
The rates are as follows:
£102 pp single occupancy
£87.00pp sharing in bedrooms
£35.00pp day delegate rate

£57.00pp dinner and day delegate rate

We will need to pay a 25% deposit to confirm the booking.
I will start a proposal for 1 week on this so that i can get back to Wortley with confirmation or declination.
As an aside to this, given that costs were difficult for some, we could ask Solid Fund to help with costs for those that are not a financial position to cover the costs.

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) started a proposal February 22nd, 2017 11:27

Do we want to book Wortley Hall for the 2017 CoTech retreat? Closed 5:01pm - Wednesday 1 Mar 2017

Outcome
by Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) April 25th, 2017 05:45

Thanks to everyone who voted. We will proceed with the booking at Wortley Hall, but I've noted that there is some concern about the price being prohibitive to smaller coops and sending as many people as coops would like. Once we have put down the deposit, I will work on different approaches to ensure as many people who want to come can

based on the information provided at the top of this thread

Results
Agree - 17
Abstain - 17
Disagree - 17
Block - 17
21 people have voted (21%)
AC

Andrew Croft February 22nd, 2017 14:29

I'd say yes!

AC

Andrew Croft
Agree
February 22nd, 2017 14:30

It was a great event. Let's do it again but even better! Now we know what we're talking about we can achieve huge amounts.

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)
Agree
February 22nd, 2017 14:39

Looking forward to it already! :smiley: :thumbsup:

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative) February 22nd, 2017 21:28

Good idea about asking Solid Fund to help, also it might be worth clarifying the figures -- I assume these are per day / night and not the total for two days / three nights?

John Atherton

John Atherton February 23rd, 2017 10:56

Hi All, Just flagging up that Co-operatives UK Practitioners forums is on the Thurs 16th Nov I know this affected attendance last year so if you could do it a week earlier I'd appreciate it and I;m sure your Secretaries, accounts and comms people would as well.

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) February 23rd, 2017 11:39

Hi @johnatherton thanks for sharing! The other dates offered in November were 27-29. I went for the earlier ones as it felt a bit too close to Christmas but I'm not even sure that matters! I'd be happy to ask for a date in October but that is usually a mental month (in our experience).
Perhaps 27-29 is fine?

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative) February 24th, 2017 08:45

27-29th November 2017 is fine for me since it is so far ahead, on the other hand if we are leaving Wortley Hall in the morning / lunch time on 15th November I'm not quite clear why that is an issue for an event on 16th November, the problem is having two events in a row? Or people need time to prepare for the other event? Sorry if these are daft questions...

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins
Agree
February 25th, 2017 12:52

I think it's a fun venue located equally inconveniently for northern and southern coops. It would be good to have something booked.

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) February 27th, 2017 10:35

thanks to everyone who has voted so far. A quick update: I've changed the date to 27-29 on the thread topic to make it easier for people to go to the Coop Practitioners Forum. We still have both dates til the end of the week.
We will also need to pay a 25% deposit by next week. Will have confirmation on the amount today, I suspect.

Ed Russell

Ed Russell
Agree
February 27th, 2017 10:40

I thought it was a good place, and we'll know our way around this time!

Graham

Graham
Agree
February 27th, 2017 10:48

Happy to support the proposal, and as with the 2016 event I'd love to be there, but sadly can't guarantee that (and if I am able to get there it would only be on a day trip basis). So don't rely on my ticket purchase to make the finances stack up!

Sam Gluck

Sam Gluck
Agree
February 27th, 2017 10:54

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)
Agree
February 27th, 2017 11:17

Sounds good to me.

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish February 27th, 2017 11:34

@aaronhirtenstein thanks for starting this thread. I have a clarifying question before I vote: do you have a team pencilled in to organise?

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)
Agree
February 27th, 2017 11:43

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) February 27th, 2017 11:57

Hi @kayleighwalsh we don't as yet other than myself and @edrussell. The next steps would be to get a small team in place. I am willing to offer a couple of hours a week to keep things moving along and I'm hoping that if we keep chipping away at things often it won't feel like such a big job - but that is perhaps wishful thinking! I would also like to catch up with you to pick your brains about what we need to organise. Hope that helps!

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish February 27th, 2017 12:10

Sounds good to me, thanks for your speedy reply.

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish
Agree
February 27th, 2017 12:10

Shaun Fensom

Shaun Fensom
Agree
February 27th, 2017 12:32

Mateus "Outlandish"

Mateus "Outlandish"
Agree
February 27th, 2017 14:03

Jason Chrysostomou

Jason Chrysostomou
Agree
February 27th, 2017 14:17

James Mead (Go Free Range)

James Mead (Go Free Range)
Agree
February 27th, 2017 17:01

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) February 28th, 2017 08:57

Hi everyone,
Thanks for pushing this forward. I've heard back from Wortley Hall. The 25% deposit will be £4177.25 and the booking is being held until next Monday 6th March. What do we think is the best way to get this paid (if the proposal passes!)?
Would Cobudget be a good way to do this? Or perhaps the bigger coops can share the payment for the deposit?
Thanks,
Aaron

AW

Alex WA February 28th, 2017 08:58

@aaronhirtenstein I think CoBudget would be a lovely way of doing this and cement the collaboration of the project as a whole.

AW

Alex WA
Agree
February 28th, 2017 08:58

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)
Abstain
February 28th, 2017 10:55

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)
Abstain
February 28th, 2017 11:00

Not sure another full-on retreat is the best way forward in terms of time and expense commitment. Will go with the flow, though.

Simon Grant

Simon Grant
Abstain
February 28th, 2017 11:45

I'd feel more comfortable with a less expensive place, to be sure. What about somewhere like Unstone Grange? http://unstonegrange.co.uk up to 36 people -- though sharing bedrooms, hostel style. Other places???

Chris Roos

Chris Roos
Agree
February 28th, 2017 11:46

Chris Roos

Chris Roos February 28th, 2017 11:49

Using Cobudget to raise the deposit sounds good to me.

Eduardo Silva

Eduardo Silva
Abstain
February 28th, 2017 12:28

I personally prefer a cheaper place to be able to go more than one member from our organization but If the venue it is decide at least one of us will participate.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins February 28th, 2017 16:01

RE: the cost, it does include three meals a day which are fully catered so that everyone can take part rather than cooking and washing up. I think the challenge to CoTech is to ensure that the network generates considerably more than £300 per person per year. If its not doing that we should probably focus our efforts elsewhere. Also, there's nothing to stop us having other types of meetup - regional ones for example.

rowan powell

rowan powell
Abstain
February 28th, 2017 16:10

Seems expensive and it would be great for more members of Calverts to be able to attend...

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative) February 28th, 2017 16:30

@harryrobbins I agree that self catering would be best avoided if possible, @asimong's suggestion of Unstone Grange does have a a self-serve breakfast, lunch and evening meal option but I don't think it would be big enough, unless used when the weather was warm and dry so people could camp and have outdoor meetings, but that would be an event of a different nature.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins February 28th, 2017 16:36

indeed - there were about 50 of us last time and we will need at least as many spaces this time (I hope)

Matt Kendon

Matt Kendon
Agree
February 28th, 2017 18:34

It was a wonderful place and a great size for the number of people who went with space to grow that number. If people are worried about the cost, Cotech could Cobudget some free tickets for people who might otherwise not be able to go.

Pete Burden

Pete Burden
Agree
February 28th, 2017 19:16

Matt Kendon's suggestion swayed me.

Finn Lewis

Finn Lewis
Agree
February 28th, 2017 22:07

It sounded like a great place. If the abstentions are mainly around cost of the venue and therefore attendance, then perhaps we can find ways to support tech coops with less cash to come. Solidarity Fund?

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish February 28th, 2017 22:45

Last year, the brilliant Blake House paid for their tickets with the CoTech video that they produced. The skill range in our network is also very valuable, so could be added to the mix alongside CoBudget.

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range) March 1st, 2017 17:23

I like the idea of cobudgeting to help other people attend. Go Free Range would be happy to contribute to that.

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 7th, 2017 15:47

I Have just started a funding proposal on Cobudget to raise money for the deposit for Wortley Hall: http://cobudget.co/#/groups/677
Ideally, we need to raise the money by Monday as we have the booking til then..

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 7th, 2017 15:47

sorry, this is the correct link: http://cobudget.co/#/buckets/1143

Simon Grant

Simon Grant March 8th, 2017 09:27

I agree with you, @harryrobbins that for established partners the benefits of collaboration should easily outweigh the costs of such a venue, and the inconveniences of a lower cost venue might detract from the benefits.

The issue for me is the entry route. I would imagine that a really good way in for newcomers is to come along and participate, to find shared areas of income-generating work; but it might be hard to get their co-op to agree to such an expenditure of money and time until the income generation was established. And of course for some co-ops it might actually not lead to extra income.

Matthew Parsons

Matthew Parsons March 8th, 2017 11:59

@aaronhirtenstein I can't access either of those Cobudget groups - can you get me access pls?

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 8th, 2017 14:41

sure @matthewparsons what is your email address?

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish March 8th, 2017 14:43

Could you also send it to me, kayleigh@outlandish.com - I missed the link the first time round. Matt's is mp@outlandish.com

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range) March 8th, 2017 18:03

Quick question @aaronhirtenstein - what are the refund terms on the deposit we have to give to Wortley Hall? If we eventually have to cancel, would we get the deposit back?

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 9th, 2017 14:05

@matthewparsons @kayleighwalsh I've sent you both an invite to Cobudget

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 9th, 2017 14:06

@chrislowis I'll find out and get back to you..

Shaun Fensom

Shaun Fensom March 9th, 2017 15:13

Sorry @aaronhirtenstein could you invite me too please?

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 9th, 2017 19:38

@shaunfensom check your inbox!

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 10th, 2017 11:55

@chrislowis the deposit is non-refundable so we will need to be 100% on this. I've managed to get them to hold the booking for another week while we work out the deposit, and, in the meantime, I think @matthewparsons would like to propose an alternative to see if that swings people in a different direction.

Matthew Parsons

Matthew Parsons started a proposal March 10th, 2017 12:20

To co-create a retreat instead of attending a hotel-style experience Closed 12:02pm - Tuesday 14 Mar 2017

Hey everyone, I wasn't going to do this until I realised that the retreat is such a long way away (November) that there should be space to revisit whether Wortley Hall (or a venue like it) is really the most popular option.

I feel there were enough abstentions to warrant a different suggestion - all were on the same topic of cost, which leads me to think that more than 4 people would prefer the retreat to cost less.

The primary reason I wanted to suggest an alternative was in asking the questions: is the Wortley Hall experience really co-opy enough for us? Does a fully-serviced venue like Wortley really count as a retreat?
Do we want something that might build solidarity as well as being a forum for exchange of ideas? For instance, a space where we choose not to remove ourselves from the obligation to cook & clean, the kind of tasks that keep us grounded, and instead collaborate to get all of this done together as a group.

So, this proposal is to:

  • not use Wortley Hall or another hotel-style venue, and instead
  • book a self-catering venue in a similar location

Important points:

  • We should still continue to collect deposits at the Wortley rates while this proposal is live, as we will be booking somewhere that's for sure. Cobudget 'refunds' can easily be made.
  • If this proposal is widely rejected, then it will indicate strong support for Wortley, which I think is important because of the way the original proposal was framed (no alternative offered).

Results
Agree - 2
Abstain - 2
Disagree - 2
Block - 2
13 people have voted (13%)
Simon Grant

Simon Grant
Agree
March 10th, 2017 12:21

This captures what I was suggesting in the thread, and allows for inclusion of people for whom the "business" case is not yet clear.

Marc

Marc March 10th, 2017 12:32

@matthewparsons what is the expected/desired attendance numbers? Is there an indicative bracket?

Matthew Parsons

Matthew Parsons March 10th, 2017 12:52

@marcd - it says 49 rooms at the top of this thread, but I'm not sure if that's beds or rooms really.

Eduardo Silva

Eduardo Silva
Agree
March 10th, 2017 13:58

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 10th, 2017 14:14

@marc as I understand it, we have 49 rooms at Wortley, some of which have more than one bed - mine certainly did - and there is an option to share. I think we had about 50 last time round but @kayleighwalsh will know better

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)
Disagree
March 10th, 2017 14:57

Sorry but I don't personally feel that I have the time / energy to help sort out catering etc for 50+ people and fear it would be unfair on those who do if they end up being unable to fully participate in the discussions.

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative) March 10th, 2017 15:02

I think we could self-facilitate -- this would save some money.

Have the people who are opposed to Wortley Hall been there before? It's not like a posh corporate place, it's a Labour movement / Co-operative venue.

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative) March 10th, 2017 15:51

I wonder if @johnatherton might have a moment to briefly explain how much work / organising / funding is needed to put on the Worker Co-op Weekend 2017? Is the £60 a head for a camping place subsidised or is that what is needed to cover costs? This might be a model we could try to emulate in the future, even if we don't manage it this year?

John Atherton

John Atherton March 10th, 2017 16:03

Hi, Been keeping well away from discussions as none of my business really but as my name was called out of the ether I appear....

Worker co-op weekend is kinda subsidised because none of mine or Co-ops UK's input is factored in and people do tend to provide food/labour for free or at cost.

Personally as your day jobs aren't running events and you want everyone involved in the business at hand. I think it is best to go with a venue that can take 90% of the hassle away from you. So either provide bursary's to those that can't afford it or another suggestion could be two prices, a "supporter" price and a "hardship". Supporters pay more than would be needed to cover the cost, so the same amount can be knocked of the price for people who don't have as much money.

Matthew Parsons

Matthew Parsons March 10th, 2017 17:01

Hi @chriscroome - I think that your objection is based on an assumption that isn't specified in the text of the proposal: that one person/a group of people would be responsible for all the catering for example.
This isn't the proposal. The concept of a co-created event is that everyone does it together. People will sign up for kitchen and cleaning shifts, and these little crews will assemble periodically and collectively run the event as it progresses.

Matthew Parsons

Matthew Parsons March 10th, 2017 17:02

At Wortley, we're paying a group of people to make and serve the food, make the beds etc. The proposal is not to pay a different set of people to do this, or expect another set to do it for free, but to spread that work amongst the entire group.

Brian Spurling

Brian Spurling
Disagree
March 12th, 2017 22:24

What Chris said. Sorry Matt, i admire the spirit of the proposal, but i feel the logic is misguided. Time is too precious. The benefit of "keeping ourselves grounded" is outweighed, for me, by time saved. The cost qu is important though.

Matthew Parsons

Matthew Parsons March 13th, 2017 06:58

@brianspurling - I don't think there was any 'logic' set forth in my proposal was there? It boils down to the question, "is this the type of event that the network really wants?", and I felt in order to gain a meaningful answer to that question, at least one alternative type of event had to be suggested ;-)

I just want to see a firm vote for 'the same as last time', rather than what I felt was a default 'yes'.

Shaun Fensom

Shaun Fensom
Disagree
March 13th, 2017 09:43

Thanks for providing this alternative. However, I think we need as much of the time as possible for discussion.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins March 13th, 2017 12:40

There's nothing to stop us doing multiple retreats. I'd be up for both but I'm primarily interested in the content and don't want to get involved with catering, etc. in this context

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish
Disagree
March 13th, 2017 16:23

With expenditure for food & time spent, I don't think this will be worth it in the end. I still think that subsidising tickets in exchange for skills (pre, during and post event) is a good option but it has not been touched on by anyone else.

Finn Lewis

Finn Lewis
Disagree
March 13th, 2017 20:41

I'd not be so attracted to a self catered option. I would want to spend the time thinking, talking, listening and doing rather than cooking and cleaning. I guess people could still host other gatherings that were lower overhead throughout the year.

James Mead (Go Free Range)

James Mead (Go Free Range)
Disagree
March 14th, 2017 09:23

I'd prefer the Wortley Hall option.

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)

Chris Lowis (Go Free Range)
Disagree
March 14th, 2017 10:23

I wouldn't block this but I think the primary purpose of the retreat is for us to work on issues that affect CoTech. It's challenging to organise an event like this in a distributed way anyway, so keeping it simple would be better.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins
Disagree
March 14th, 2017 10:28

Thanks @mattparsons for kicking off this debate - really useful framing. I'm fully up for some different types of events in future. Psychedelics UK enquired if we'd all like to go on a psychedelic weekend!

Chris Roos

Chris Roos
Disagree
March 14th, 2017 10:45

I really like the idea but worry that the logistics of organising/participating in the event will take away from the things we want to focus on.

Ieva Padagaite

Ieva Padagaite
Disagree
March 14th, 2017 10:51

It's a nice idea, but I think there needs to be more quality time to bond over ideas and projects at this point. Also, Worker Coop Weekend is a good place to get this DIY collaboration and I think most people(?) in this group will be attending it too

John Bevan (We Are Open)

John Bevan (We Are Open)
Disagree
March 14th, 2017 11:02

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 14th, 2017 21:45

I'm sorry @matthewparsons, I meant to vote on this but was busy on things and then the deadline passed!
For the record, I would abstain because I'd be happy with either option and see merit in both so happy to go with the flow. Thanks for proposing this, as you mentioned, this partly came about because of an inherent flaw in the original proposal which made it seem like it was Wortley or nothing.

Simon Grant

Simon Grant March 16th, 2017 11:53

@harryrobbins has made a good move here in pointing away from 2 competitive alternatives. Wortley hall makes sense for those already fully engaged and busy (time at a premium) while some other more collaborative setting would make sense for more tentative exploration, building rapport and community, before the business case is proven and generating income.

So maybe we do need both? In which case, maybe i could get together with others interested in the communal/collective option, to explore possibilities? And of course Wortley would go ahead in any case...

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 16th, 2017 15:01

@asimong @harryrobbins another type of event aimed at exploration and growing / building rapport within the network sounds great. Once I have the Wortley situation in hand I'd be happy to explore it with you.

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 16th, 2017 15:04

Just to say that we are still looking for funders for the Wortley deposit: http://cobudget.co/#!/buckets/1144

We have just under 50% of our total (which I'm supposed to be sending to them tomorrow! If people/coops are able to contribute then let me know, ideally on cobudget. Thanks!

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins March 17th, 2017 16:20

@asimong @matthewparsons @aaronhirtenstein We have an enquiry from Luke Murphy who's trying to set up a tech worker co-op in Ireland (Republic of) and who would like to come to a cheaper event aimed at people who are not yet running successful co-ops. I'm happy to be involved with organising, and will attend as long as it's not camping and is more about tech co-ops than the experience of co-creating.

Simon Grant

Simon Grant March 20th, 2017 13:22

Thank you @harryrobbins, and @matthewparsons @aaronhirtenstein . How are we going to start off the conversation on this?

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts)

Sion Whellens (Principle Six/Calverts) March 20th, 2017 17:51

Another one I'm wildly late in on. Would have agreed, provided we could find a ace with good wifi - Worker Coop Weekend is really the template for this.

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective)

Aaron Hirtenstein (Agile Collective) March 21st, 2017 15:53

Hi everyone,
We reached our deposit target of £4,177.25 and I paid Wortley Hall today so the 2017 CoTech Retreat is now on!
Thanks to everyone for commenting, voting, proposing and contributing. Next steps to follow soon but I am away next week and have signed up for too many courses (and thus snowed under with course work, idiot) so will be a couple of weeks.
@asimong how about a joint call first/second week of April?
Aaron

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins March 21st, 2017 18:57

Woot! Thanks for making it happen Aaron.

James Mead (Go Free Range)

James Mead (Go Free Range) March 22nd, 2017 09:08

Yay! Thanks, Aaron.

Josef Davies-Coates

Josef Davies-Coates April 5th, 2017 21:47

Very late to this. For the record

  1. I would've voted for the alternative proposal.
  2. The number of people who voted against it demonstrates to me just how important and needed an alternative style retreat is for this network!

Let me try to explain with an anecdote.

Back in 2009 or something I went of a 9-week full-time (Mon-Thurs) residential course on Sustainable Land Use at Ragmans Lane Farm. One of the best things I've ever done. Despite the fact it was really great value, overall it was still quite expensive (although I was one of the exceedingly lucky people who got a subsidised place). Hence why, at first, when they told us we'd have to cook for ourselves, I, much like nearly everyone here, was like "WTF - I was expecting to be fed!"

However, in the end, the cooking together ourselves thing was actually by far one of the best bits of the whole course. And it was actually really easy and didn't take loads of time and effort at all. There were about 20 people on the course. Each day a random team of 3-5 people cooked and washed up for everyone else. Which meant apart from one fun day a week when you were part of the cooking/ washing up team it basically was exactly the same as being catered for. These teams were very quickly and easily chosen by raising of hands every Monday morning "who want to do Monday?...you, you, you, you, Tuesday?...you, you, you, you etc". It was fun, absolutely delicious and amazingly cheap (the total cost for ALL our all organic and local food worked out at about £3 per person per day).

This and other similar experiences since have even led me to think that:

Doing together + Cooking and Eating together = Community

It's a damn powerful equation. And any network would be silly and shooting itself in the foot to ignore it.

Simon Grant

Simon Grant April 7th, 2017 15:44

Thank you @josefdaviescoates for putting into words, based on your direct relevant experience, what was in my mind, based on less direct experience.

I guess we have to live with this not being part of the general experience yet. And the option of another model as an extra meeting, as long as a good number attended, would give us some basis for spreading the cultural / social awareness.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins started a proposal April 18th, 2017 15:15

Get some people to start a self-catered "CoTech summer camp" with more of a DIY vibe Closed 4:02pm - Saturday 29 Apr 2017

Outcome
by Harry "Outlandish" Robbins May 2nd, 2017 10:57

Happy Campers! We're going to be having a summer camp with fearless leadership of Eduardo, Andrew, Simon and Marc.

In addition to the established annual retreat at Wortley Hall we will organise a self-catering, low key, cheap, co-designed retreat with a view to building/growing the community and making it more accessible and cheaper than the Wortley Hall event.

Agree = I'd like to help organise the even
Abstain = happy for others to organise and I'd be interested in attending
Disagree = I'm definitely not interested
Block = I don't want others to do this (don't use this option unless you feel you have a good reason to start telling others what to do)

Results
Agree - 4
Abstain - 4
Disagree - 4
Block - 4
16 people have voted (16%)
Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins
Abstain
April 18th, 2017 15:15

I'm interested in going, but don't currently have time to help organise

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish

Kayleigh Walsh Outlandish
Abstain
April 18th, 2017 15:20

Love the sound of it, definitely don't have time to organise it though. My attendance will depend on dates for Outlandish client work.

Simon Grant

Simon Grant
Agree
April 18th, 2017 15:21

rowan powell

rowan powell
Abstain
April 18th, 2017 15:30

Sounds good, would be keen to attend

Louise Scott

Louise Scott
Abstain
April 18th, 2017 15:31

Once I am there I am more than willing to muck in and do whatever, including tent pitching, washing up, vegetable chopping, digging, whatever ... but I've not enough capacity for the planning / admin bit just now, alas.

AC

Andrew Croft
Agree
April 18th, 2017 18:56

I'm happy to be part of a (small) team to make this happen.

Graham

Graham
Abstain
April 19th, 2017 06:23

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)

Chris Croome (Webarchitects Co-operative)
Abstain
April 19th, 2017 20:45

Sounds great and if it is organised for a weekend when I'm free and can sort out child care I'd be happy to camp and help with cooking and washing up etc but I'm sorry but I don't feel that I have the capacity to take on my share of organising this.

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins

Harry "Outlandish" Robbins April 20th, 2017 08:48

FYI Luke from https://riseup.net/ would like to come (but can't vote because he's starting a co-op and we voted not to let him in :)

John Atherton

John Atherton April 20th, 2017 09:03

Not for 2017 (it's in two weeks if you haven't booked yet.. www.uk.coop/wcw2017) , but for the worker co-op weekend in 2018 we could look at bigger more wifi/tech friendly venue with camping so you could do a tech fringe at that event. To get the best of both worlds (we organise the cooking you organised the tech).