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July 18th, 2017 01:59

Broadcasting Portfolio: Fully funding public broadcasting

Suzie Dawson
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Hi all - we have agreed that our 2017 manifesto will address public interest broadcasting, as this is an area that was not yet developed in 2014.

This thread is for compiling research/stats/links and opinions surrounding whether we should fully fund the existing public broadcasting, how we can strengthen the sector, and/or expand it.

Please have your say!

Tane Harre

Tane Harre July 18th, 2017 04:03

Publicly funded broadcasting should be restricted to news, culture, local arts, and documentaries. We need to get out of funding movies and TV shows (directly, or by changing the law) that are aimed at an international audience and concentrate on our country.

We shouldn't try and compete with international entertainment using public funds. We need better journalism and in depth analysis of our own stories more.

I am sure someone will bring up the benefits from LOTR and the Hobbit and yes, we now have a $3B movie sector. However, that sector needs to learn to continue and grow without public funding on it's own merits.

I would fully recommend and endorse this.

IA

idiom axiom July 18th, 2017 23:05

The internet party should recognise that public broadcasting is dead. We should free up the radio spectrum for more useful technologies.

Colin England

Colin England July 19th, 2017 00:15

Publicly funded broadcasting should be restricted to news, culture, local arts, and documentaries. We need to get out of funding movies and TV shows (directly, or by changing the law) that are aimed at an international audience and concentrate on our country.

Movies and TV shows are part of our culture and a way to show that culture.

However, that sector needs to learn to continue and grow without public funding on it's own merits.

Entertainment is always funded by everyone because everyone needs it and so it should be freely available to everyone.

Publicly fund it, have it all freely available in NZ and sell it overseas.

Colin England

Colin England July 19th, 2017 00:16

Is it?

And what other technologies are you talking about?

Suzie Dawson

Suzie Dawson July 19th, 2017 18:39

I had a look at the last link in @taneharre's post - the Better Broadcasting platform - I fully agree with all the points on it. Should we start a vote to outright adopt it? Seems very well reasoned and well developed as is

IA

idiom axiom July 26th, 2017 00:36

Point-point cellular and wi-fi. More operators, more competition, better service, range and lower prices.

The only remaining bastions of linear broadcasting are live events such as sport, and even that is rapidly moving to the web. VoD is so much more convenient.

Colin England

Colin England July 26th, 2017 22:45

More operators, more competition, better service, range and lower prices.

More resource use, more people required, higher prices.

That's the reality of competition. It costs more.

The question is if the added cost is worth it and I don't think it is with broadcasting.

IA

idiom axiom July 27th, 2017 08:36

The resources are already being used. At great cost for little return.

The added competition would be in the telco space which is currently an oligopoly. Unless you think Oligopolies or Monopolies are better than competitive markets?

BC

ben cooney August 18th, 2017 03:08

Interesting thread.... I will have a look st the links and speak to the points raised... Broadcasting and the arts are the portfolios that i am most drawn to. I see that here in aotearoa we have lost our way in terms of free to air content. I feel that we must push fir public broadcasting so to counter the corporate narritive thst has attempted to silence critical thought and diversity. I see that we need this and we need it now. We need our voices to be heard we need our music art abd culture to be supported and we need an ability to speak truth to power... The recent right wing crucifixtion of meteria is a recent example of the reasons why we need this...

BC

ben cooney August 20th, 2017 01:24

In my perfect world i would be advocating for a slice of the freeview pie to be allocated. The spectrum for freeview is administered by iwi. The digital spectrum is infinite.. I would ljke to see a channel opened for public broadcast. I would like to furnish roles on said public channel by recent graduates so they can gain vital production experience. I would advocate that nz on air allocate part or full funding in the initial 12-24 months of operation. I would advocste that staff are psid a eage after a undecided period. Tbc. I would advocate thst said station embodies the charter and actually goes over and above and has around 80% minimum of local content. I would advocate that all advertising is only for local and ethical companies. I wouuld also advocate thst the station plays a list of public domain documentaries both locally and internationally produced. I would also advocate that we partner with shows like young turks, democracy now, global rev for upforit and critcal content. I would also advocate for an on the job elite live stream training acadamy where graduates would be equipped with tech and a platform and get out and pip the msm and tell the real story... Media by us for us! #MediaByUs.... . Thoughts?

Colin Smith

Colin Smith August 20th, 2017 05:47

@ben cooney. The digital spectrum is NOT infinite, it is definitely finite. This is why the government (or someone) needs to regulate its use. This currently enables our government to auction different sections of the spectrum and use it for revenue generation.

The usage types you are referring to is better suited to the Internet - not broadcast.

Anyone can livestream to the Internet so then we do not need to determine what activity is allowed to take place on the Internet which then starts to nullify this whole thread.

@Idiom axiom. Point-point cellular and wi-fi are not viable options. If these were viable then Chorus would be putting in more Cellular Repeaters instead of Fiber.

If we are funding - then we need to determine what content needs to made available and then the best way of delivering that content to the people who wish to view that type of content. You cannot unsubscribe from a public broadcast, you can only turn it off. (Then go surf the web)

I believe what we need to be looking at is doing away with the broadcasting model we have grown up with and move it completely to the internet. That way the infrastructure costs for transmission are greatly diminished.

New Zealand has or at least did have space allocated above New Zealand for our own personal satellite. This would be used for downlinks for Internet activity that covers the whole of NZ and for services such as Sirius XM for mobile entertainment reception.

BC

ben cooney August 20th, 2017 06:05

Maybe? Maybe not? In terms of tech soecs and briadcast functionality and user interface i would argue using a terrestrial platform and simulcast ti the internet.... After working in tv and film and doing the initial research on best modality. I see that a slice of the free view pie is a better option as nz on air are far more likely to grant funds... At anyrate i have a few contacts thst i will contact in the near future and get the specs.... A station needs to be a station thst the masses have ease of access too. Sure webtv will be great for tech savvy people... But will isolate a huge segment if the market... Freevirw imho is the most viable and encompassing platform... This will also gaurentee high production values... And be better to secure advertising revenue

BC

ben cooney August 20th, 2017 06:31

Fyi i have just farmed out a message to the powers that be @freeview to gather some more intel.... Will have a look at various tech options in terms of broadcast ie cams mixers and audio and servers for content and get a base level figure... Watch this space....

BC

ben cooney August 20th, 2017 06:33

Will also message the comrades at global rev and adbusters and pick their brains...

BC

ben cooney August 20th, 2017 06:34

And and and contact the director of my old film school and old technical director from alt tv and max tv.....

Colin England

Colin England August 21st, 2017 00:05

The resources are already being used. At great cost for little return.

To provide competition requires more resources and more bureaucracy.

And we're always paying for the use no matter what. Private companies get a profit from what we pay. In other words, we always lose out.

If the state is running it then it doesn't need the profit and we're simply paying ourselves. The return is measured in social benefit to everyone.

The added competition would be in the telco space which is currently an oligopoly. Unless you think Oligopolies or Monopolies are better than competitive markets?

In broadcast and telecommunications a state monopoly is the best option. You then look for competition in the production of services delivered across the medium.

IA

idiom axiom August 21st, 2017 08:06

This is the internet party.

You are advocating for government control of all communications and mediums that are causing great problems as their death throes attack the internet.

BC

ben cooney August 21st, 2017 08:48

Indeed.... Disinfo dinosaurs must soon be put to pasture..

BC

ben cooney August 22nd, 2017 06:12

I just got this email from fteeview re setting up a channel
Hi Ben,
Thank you for contacting us today with your query.
If you are wishing to become a broadcaster or are looking for information on how to become one, can you please reply to this email with the following details:
Full Name:
Company you are contacting from:
Phone:
Email:
Type of channel:
Description of channel:
Once we have these details, we can then forward your interest onto the appropriate department and arrange for someone to contact you further in regards to this.
If you require more information or assistance, please contact us on 0800 FREEVIEW or via email again.
Kind Regards,
The Freeview Team
.

Will reply and see what happens? Thinkibg may get stone walled... But? If you dont ask you dont know right?

IA

idiom axiom August 23rd, 2017 08:21

Ben, what are you looking for? I have built and specced lots of channels both here and overseas.

BC

ben cooney August 23rd, 2017 08:24

Fantastic... Email me 3ninez@protonmail.com. And we will discuss

BC

ben cooney September 1st, 2017 08:27

Colin England

Colin England September 2nd, 2017 00:59

You are advocating for government control of all communications and mediums that are causing great problems as their death throes attack the internet.

No I'm not. I'm advocating that the government owns the infrastructure to provide the service to the population and the producers. It will then be up to the producers and the population what's on it.

IA

idiom axiom September 2nd, 2017 05:56

" I'm advocating that the government owns the infrastructure"

So it will be impossible to communicate without going through the government. Holy hell.

Colin England

Colin England September 2nd, 2017 22:21

The government won't be anywhere near it. Same as the government got nowhere near telecommunications when it was state owned - you know, back when it cost us less and we got better service. Same as the government doesn't get anywhere near the RBNZ or any of the other independent SOEs.

If you're worried about privacy then look to the intelligence agencies - and we need those as well.

IA

idiom axiom September 3rd, 2017 04:54

You know the internet party is founded on the grievance of the government violating privacy yeah?

Colin England

Colin England September 3rd, 2017 23:22

Yes. That means that we need proper regulation and processes in place to prevent the government violating privacy. Handing the internet and telecommunications over to the private sector just means that the private sector now violates our privacy and there's nothing we can do about it while it costs us more.

IA

idiom axiom September 5th, 2017 01:41

Who made private communication illegal? The private sector?

Colin England

Colin England September 5th, 2017 23:58

No, the private sector made it so that they can see everything you do anywhere in the world. They watch you like a hawk watches its prey.

IA

idiom axiom September 7th, 2017 08:07

Who made it illegal then?

Jo Booth

Jo Booth September 11th, 2017 14:11

As of currently - very few laws protect us - consumer protections and privacy protections are mostly circumvented with end user agreements and services contracts.

Colin England

Colin England September 11th, 2017 22:20

Private communication isn't illegal. It just so happens to be watched by the private sector who now controls our communications.

Believe me, you can learn more about a person watching the meta-data than actually listening to the conversations. And that's data that the new private providers have in spades thanks to the delusional idea that we'd get better service if we privatised the network (the service is worse and costs more).

IA

idiom axiom September 12th, 2017 07:08

It is illegal to provide a communication service that the the GCSB cannot wiretap.

Colin England

Colin England September 12th, 2017 23:30

[citation needed]

IA

idiom axiom September 13th, 2017 09:27

Are you completely unfamiliar with the origin of this party?

http://legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0108/latest/whole.html#DLM5178030

Jo Booth

Jo Booth September 13th, 2017 14:29

[citation provided]

Colin England

Colin England September 13th, 2017 23:38

Thanks for that. You'll note three things:

  1. That interception is only allowed under warrant (we really actually do need to be able to do this - criminals are real)
  2. That encrypted communications will remain private (they can't break the encryption) - except the meta-data and that using encryption is not illegal
  3. The private corporation has access to that meta-data all the time and they don't even need a warrant as they need it to be able to run a telecommunications service

Now, I'm pretty sure that the corporations will use that meta-data for their own purposes. It's how Google gets to send you personalised advertising - and they don't even own your ISP. As I say, if you're worried about being traced then the private corporations should be at the top of your list for preventing them getting their hands on that data. They're not the ones that you want to pay to give them that data.

And, yes, I'm quite familiar with the origin of this party. Are you? Because it seems that you're not.

To clarify, the origin of this party is because the GCSB broke that first point of law and then the government retrospectively made it legal.

IA

idiom axiom September 14th, 2017 08:23

Is it legal to provide an untappable service? No. You are using the assertion of criminal activity to justify government over-reach.

You are defending the governments actions against Kim, saying they should have been legal and that the action was moral.

Suzie Dawson

Suzie Dawson September 19th, 2017 14:53

This is misleading "That interception is only allowed under warrant"

The GCSB uses a form of general warrants. Our AntiSpyBill is attempting to rectify that, among many other things.

Background reading: https://www.spinbin.co.nz/you-me-and-the-gcsb/

https://policy.ipnz.live/p/VJsB18Cdw9

Colin England

Colin England September 21st, 2017 20:51

Yes, present rules need to be reformed and properly enforced. It doesn't mean that the rules need to be removed because we do need them.