Doubt clarification regarding membership
Bady
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1) What are the differences between different types of memberships?
The Constitution defines 3 types of memberships, but the differences between them aren't stated explicitly.
1a) I think the main difference between an Associate Member and an Initial Member is that Initial Member got voting rights while the other hasn't, is it true?
1b) Constitution says an Initial Member's membership is only valid for 6 months. So what happens after 6 months? Does the Initial Member gets downgraded to an Associate Member?
1c) Are there any special powers/advantages/privileges for Permanent Members over other members? If yes, what all are they? Or Permanent Membership only means that their membership never expires and have no extra powers at all?
1d) And finally kindly explain how flat power structure can co-exist in a community with its members having different types of membership.
2) How can one apply for membership?
2a) Clicking "Join" on the home page of pirates.org.in redirects us to this loomio group of Indian Pirates. So if one person joins this group does that mean s/he has become a member of Indian Pirates?
2b) If yes how do we classify their membership?
2c) Do we keep a publicly accessible list of members along with their contact details, membership type, etc.?
2d) The thread here says that to become an Initial Member "You have to publicly state your acceptance of the constitution at http://pirates.org.in/constitution". Does it still hold? I mean is it still necessary? If yes, why?
Pirate Praveen Wed 20 Apr 2016 5:53AM
@vidyut I think if two permanent members trust an associate member, that is enough. Those permanent members accept responsibility. But I'm open to making it endorsed by Permanent Members as a requirement. I think 6 months minimum period gives an opportunity to get to know a person, I don't think its necessary to make that person a permanent member to be able to lead an activity.
@arjun I'll propose the name change as a vote. We can discuss other things a bit more to reach consensus.
Bady Wed 20 Apr 2016 6:19AM
also there should be clarification regarding the voting rights of associates and members. i mean the conditions to accept and reject a proposal should be made clear.
another doubt is, can associates propose amendments to the Constitution? my personal opinion is that it should be allowed and then the amendments can be accepted with the support of enough members (2 members may not be enough since Constitution amendments should be considered more seriously).
⚓⚑Arjun⚓⚑ Wed 20 Apr 2016 10:52AM
@vidyut @praveenarimbrathod so what about the already existing sub groups like initial members and associate members?.. Well need to have just two groups
1) ASSOCIATES and
2) PERMANENT MEMBERS OR MEMBERS
How do we go about that?
⚓⚑Arjun⚓⚑ Wed 20 Apr 2016 11:03AM
@ambadyanands I feel associates should be allowed suggestions but any real change should be at the discretion of the permanent members after voting
And like @vidyut said earlier, they shouldn't be allowed to start a thread, rather suggest one and then a permanent member could start the thread.. Cuz as associates they cannot act on our behalf.. They are still being evaluated.. (evaluated might not be the appropriate term but I hope you get what I mean)
Bady Wed 20 Apr 2016 11:37AM
@arjun if associates can't start new threads then how they can share their ideas with others? instead of restricting associates from thread creation i suggest forming a sub group (public) where associates can start new threads.
Bady Wed 20 Apr 2016 11:44AM
@arjun i think what you meant is "associates shouldn't be allowed to start new activities in the name of Indian Pirates". if that's the case, i agree. but as i always say, "it's the ideas which should matter the most, not their source". so if associates share some good ideas for a new activity then they should be allowed with the support of enough members (aka permanent members). and as @vidyut said there should be at least one member (or two) which can be held accountable for the accepted activities proposed by associates.
Pirate Praveen Wed 20 Apr 2016 11:49AM
@arjun starting thread won't change anything. I think you are over reacting too much here. Associate just means, we have not had enough opportunity to know them. Let them participate freely and needs approval only when there is a proposal or wants to use our name outside in an activity.
We can rename the sub groups once proposal passes.
⚓⚑Arjun⚓⚑ Wed 20 Apr 2016 1:51PM
@ambadyanands that's exactly what I meant.. Can't start activities.. @praveenarimbrathod Pl refer to @ambadyanands above comment.. Thats what I meant to say
⚓⚑Arjun⚓⚑ Wed 20 Apr 2016 1:55PM
@praveenarimbrathod yeah man that's what I meant.. Thats why I referred to "vidyuts" comment earlier
⚓⚑Arjun⚓⚑ · Tue 19 Apr 2016 5:08PM
So do we all agree about the new membership system or do we need a vote? .. Cuz quite a few new members have been requesting d past couple of days