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Guiding activists to protect their privacy on the web?

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Valerie D. Public Seen by 566

Activism is blooming around us, and is of course getting organised mostly via the internet. Protecting the privacy of group members is a key... but it is obviously not much taken care of (even by pirates :sweat_smile: ). Probably by lack of consciouness, but also by lack of know-how... and their combination: no time to take care.

Is this not a service we could provide to others and ourselves: a short guide with tips and tools for groups to communicate on internet :question:

Le monde associatif est très (de plus en plus ?) actif, et communique bien évidemment sur le net. La protection de la vie privée de membres est essentielle... mais elle n'est clairement pas au centre des préoccupations (même des pirates :sweat_smile: ). Probablement par manque de conscience du problème, mais aussi de savoirs... et de la combinaison des deux : le temps de se pencher sur la question.

Ne serait-ce pas un service que nous pourrions offrir aux autres mouvements et à nous-même : un petit manuel de bonnes pratiques et d'outils pour communiquer sur internet ? :question:


Activisme bloeit overal rond ons en wordt, uiteraard, hoofdzakelijk via het internet georganiseerd. De privacy van groepsleden beschermen is essentieel… maar hier wordt duidelijk niet veel aandacht aan geschonken (zelfs niet door piraten :sweat_smile: ). Waarschijnlijk komt dit door een onvoldoende bewust zijn van de problemen, maar ook door een gebrek aan know-how… en hun combinatie: geen tijd om er mee bezig te zijn.

Zou dit geen dienst zijn die wij aan onszelf en aan anderen kunnen verlenen: een korte gids met tips en tools voor groepen om over het internet te communiceren :question:

TF

Thierry Fenasse Tue 7 Feb 2017

Mmmm... that begins to be interesting ... 4 levels approach.

Network

Internet (=cloud) based services are someone else computers.
Leaving main stream GAFAM is a start.

Softwares and Operating Systems

Using FOSS for the Operating System and the tools.

Operating Systems

Softwares

** Browser(s) plugins **

Hardware

Start thinking about open hardware and FOSS BIOS.

Disconnected

Meeting face to face.
Use a pencil, a piece of paper and an envelope to send a letter. :mailbox_with_mail: :laughing:

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Tue 7 Feb 2017

  • We can't force people out of Facebook (it's still an individual choice), but we could explain why using some tools (like Loomio actually) make it easier for people to protect their privacy - as FB would not be mandatory anymore.
TF

Thierry Fenasse Wed 31 May 2017

Just as a reminder :

Belgium vs Facebook

On November 9th, 2015, a Belgian court ordered Facebook to stop tracking non-Facebook users, and imposed a fine of $250,000 per day in case of non-compliance. A look at the facts, the rules at hand, and the questions that matter. read more

Belgium privacy & internet

IB

Ilja Baert Wed 31 May 2017

First of all +infinity for having this thread 😄

I like how it's build up in the 4 'levels'.
I do wonder though, what does 'GAFAM' stand for?

The clickclick website is quite disturbing I must say 😮 I think I'll share that one 😮

For operating systems I think it's a good idea to promote (100% free) Trisquel, but I'd like to put Mint and Ubuntu somewhere in that list as well. They may not be the most free and open, but on a lot of systems Trisquel will feel like a downgrade + Mint and Ubuntu will be a lower treshold for most people to take.

For (firefox) add-ons (shouldn't we promote firefox over IE and Chrome somewhere?), I also use Decentraleyes and BetterPrivacy (which you'll need if you've ever had flash player running).

I wonder wether GNU LibreJS would be a better alternative to noScript? I haven't got much experience with any of them, but the bit of experience I have with noScript is that it's not for non-techies (although the same might be true for GNULibreJS, I don't know). Or maybe we can add some 'not for non-techies'-label or something?

And of course, for disconnected, don't forget mailpidgeons :dove: Although you'd best be using 2 factor authentication when using those

(oh yeah, and +1 for putting neutrinet first :wink: )

IB

Ilja Baert Wed 31 May 2017

omg :hushed: I was looking at the zeronet.io site, there I clicked on the 'how does it work' button, and it directed me to a google doc :thinking:

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HgO Wed 31 May 2017

GAFAM = Google Amazon Facebook Apple Microsoft :D

I would add the enigmail plugin next to Thunderbird ;) That's all for me for now ;) Thanks for this thread :D

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Thu 1 Jun 2017

Pirate* Greg vient juste de retravailler un document à ce sujet : https://www.wattpad.com/419424282-prot%C3%A9ger-sa-vie-priv%C3%A9e-sur-internet-l%27%C3%A9tat-contre

(*once a pirate, always a pirate)

IB

Ilja Baert Fri 2 Jun 2017

I was browsing the wiki and found this page https://wiki.pirateparty.be/ITSquad/Pirates_Selection
Maybe some of the things that come out of this thread can be used there as well :slight_smile:

TF

Thierry Fenasse Thu 8 Jun 2017

English

Help make mass surveillance of entire populations uneconomical! We all have a right to privacy, which you can exercise today by encrypting your communications and ending your reliance on proprietary services.

https://prism-break.org/en

Nederlands

Stop datatoezichtsprogramma's van overheden door je communicatie te versleutelen en een einde te maken aan je afhankelijkheid van eigendomsmatige diensten.

https://prism-break.org/nl

Français

Nous avons tous le droit à la vie privée dès maintenant en chiffrant nos communications et en mettant fin à notre dépendance à l'égard des services propriétaires.

https://prism-break.org/fr

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Mon 25 Sep 2017

@valeried : cela t'ennuie si je renomme ce thread en "Privacy"? Histoire d'en faire le thread-référence sur la page wiki y consacrée.

There is a campaign, well documented as usual by La Quadrature du Net, about changes in the European rules concerning privacy (with/without users' consent ; state surveillance might be diminished - finally ! etc).

The European Union is about to change the rules protecting of our privacy through a new ePrivacy Regulation.

Numerous Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) are ready to allow monitoring of our online activities for business purposes without our consent.

On 11 October 2017, the European Parliament will have to oppose such a drift.

EN : https://eprivacy.laquadrature.net/en/

L’Union européenne s’apprête à modifier la protection de notre vie privée en ligne en adoptant un nouveau règlement ePrivacy.

De nombreux députés européens sont prêts à autoriser l’analyse commerciale de nos activités sans notre consentement.

Le 11 octobre 2017, le Parlement européen devra rejeter cette dérive.

FR : https://eprivacy.laquadrature.net/fr/

VD

Valerie D. Mon 25 Sep 2017

euuuh ok

TF

Thierry Fenasse Mon 25 Sep 2017

Mais c'est dingue ces trucs ... le bétail humain ... la ressource infinie dont le capitotarisme à besoin pour encore fonctionner aujourd'hui.

TF

Thierry Fenasse Thu 28 Sep 2017

Here is a pad, (mainly in french,sorry) to help you make a phone call to Gerard Deprez before he 8 october 2017.

RVE

Renaud Van Eeckhout Sun 1 Oct 2017

@valeried : Sorry about this, but after thinking a bit better, I thought it would be better to talk about Privacy in a topic for that : https://www.loomio.org/d/MFlI5guG/ppbe-topic-privacy and not spam your project thread.

IB

Ilja Baert Sat 4 Apr

Ahoi,

I'm using this Loomio thread since it's the only way to contact I found.

As you may or may not have seen, we are currently going over the projects that are still considered "Active" on the wiki. The idea is to close projects that aren't actually active any more so we get a better overview of projects that are actually open and work on them[1].

This project is still open on the wiki[2]. Is someone still working or planning to work on this project or is it OK for us to close it?

If the project is still active it may be interesting to add more info to the page so that it is more clear what the project exactly does and in what stage it is.

If I don't hear back in, say a month (so by 04/05/2020), I'll consider this as an OK that the project can be closed and close it.

Kind regards,
Ilja

[1] https://www.loomio.org/d/S8o21axX
[2] https://wiki.pirateparty.be/Guiding_activists_to_protect_their_privacy_on_the_web