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July 10th, 2018 08:04

Getting OSM Wiki United Kingdom up-to-date

Jez Nicholson (Director)
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I'm sure that this must get brought up at regular intervals....what are your opinions on taming the 'United Kingdom' part of the OSM Wiki? There are lots of hidden gems in there, many under 'UK Project' which could be revisited as a Quarterly Project.

I don't understand the category structure enough to be able to apply it consistently to pages. Is there an overall plan somewhere?

User Verdy_p appears to have done a lot of Category structuring throughout OSM Wiki and would probably be good to talk to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p

AH

Andrew Hain July 10th, 2018 12:19

The person you named is massively overconfident of his foreign language ability including English. His wiki edits are often badly written as a result. It is also very difficult to correct him when he makes a mistake.

Paul Berry

Paul Berry July 10th, 2018 12:41

I concur. While his enthusiasm and drive are without question, it's his way or the highway. Someone with 28 current topics on his Talk page (let alone the archived stuff) should ring alarm bells: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Verdy_p

Paul Berry

Paul Berry July 10th, 2018 13:05

But back to your point, I agree it's high time for a fresh look at the content on the UK part of the Wiki: what needs updating, what needs binning, and what still needs to be written.

I am assuming we want to start here as the UK "front page" and work inwards from there?https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom

Jez Nicholson (Director)

Jez Nicholson (Director) July 10th, 2018 13:20

Yes, I believe WikiProject_United_Kingdom to be the main page, and it is well-formed. I see a lot of Harry Wood and RobJN edits on there..... I know that Harry has made particular efforts to reform the wiki and must have the scars to show for it. Like trying to stop the words "WikiProject" proliferating.

Perhaps an audit would be a safe way to start?

RobJN (Director)

RobJN (Director) July 10th, 2018 13:25

I'm willing to do more but always scared of being accused of "wiki fiddling"/"edit war".

Perhaps we can form a small taskforce...?

Paul Berry

Paul Berry July 10th, 2018 15:35

An Audit Taskforce would be a good start I think. Happy to be a part of this.

RobJN (Director)

RobJN (Director) July 10th, 2018 16:31

Ok. Let's do it! How would you like to start? Should we both make notes and then compare? Should we just find a time for a call and go through it together? What do you prefer?

Jez Nicholson (Director)

Jez Nicholson (Director) July 10th, 2018 17:45

Is there any software available for extracting category structures from the wiki? Then perhaps a Google Sheet with a row for every page in groups?

Adam Hoyle (Director)

Adam Hoyle (Director) July 10th, 2018 20:30

I think this is a great idea.

MediaWiki (the software behind the OSM wiki) provides a table of contents page for each category, and looks like there are 2 main UK ones (I might have missed others): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:United_Kingdom and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Project_in_UK

Adam Hoyle (Director)

Adam Hoyle (Director) July 10th, 2018 20:43

Ok, for that to work either [[Category:Project_in_UK]] and/or [[Category:United Kingdom]] needs to be added to each relevant page.

I experimented with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/English_Environment_Agency_LIDAR and that's now in both categories.

So maybe adding the categories to relevant pages is a possible first step?

RobJN (Director)

RobJN (Director) July 10th, 2018 21:32

Do people use categories? I've never used them and was barely aware they existed.

Might have to make them more obvious if the plan is to start using them. I guess we can link to then via the main UK page.

Paul Berry

Paul Berry July 11th, 2018 08:04

I do use categories as I take my cue from Wikipedia whose editors are very keen to get new content tagged up. I'll start a Google Sheet on this later this morning and we can see how it all looks.

Andrew Black

Andrew Black July 11th, 2018 08:28

Categories are useful if there is someone who is organised enough to make sure they are used consistently.

Dont work if some pages are left out of the category, so someone creates a new pages with almost the same content.

Worth giving it a try.

Jez Nicholson (Director)

Jez Nicholson (Director) July 11th, 2018 10:06

I've done a bit of programming with the Mediawiki api so am investigating visualising the current structure.

Try not to be drawn into making immediate changes as it looks like opening a can of worms.

L

lakedistrict July 12th, 2018 11:20

Harry Wood

Harry Wood July 16th, 2018 02:11

One wiki change I was meaning to do for some time, is rename the page "UK group" -> "OSMUK". So I have just done it! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMUK (and fixed various incoming links and redirects)

That page should now be the wiki page describing what OSMUK is. There's no need for that to be a big description of many sections, since we have a osmuk.org website for that. Also there's no need to link off lots of UK related information from the "OSMUK" wiki page. We already do that from the "UK" wiki page.

The OSMUK page should have the logo on it though. This one I mean: https://osmuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/logo_horizontal_color.png who has that in SVG format?

Adam Hoyle (Director)

Adam Hoyle (Director) July 19th, 2018 15:14

hey @harrywood - here's the OSMUK logo as an SVG.

Jez Nicholson (Director)

Jez Nicholson (Director) started a proposal November 8th, 2018 12:03

Jez will review OSM Wiki UK page content, categorise the pages, and diagram the current structure Closed 12:02pm - Sunday 11 Nov 2018

As a light-ish touch we won't attempt to update pages, just see what there is. We can then make decisions on how to proceed

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November 8th, 2018 12:04

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