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September 4th, 2015 13:46

SUMMIT #8 - Where and How ?

Maud
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Dear all,

With the summer break time is flying by, and we already need to discuss the next Summit.

Summit #7 : feedbacks and inputs

It's first the opportunity to share with you the results of the survey of Summit #7.
To make a long story short (thanks for all your great feedbacks) :

  • the last summit has been quite well appreciated, and the idea to make it in a remote area is to keep.
  • A lot of people shared the feeling that it is too much content in too short a time, but people are rather suggesting to make it a bit longer than to try to cut some type of sessions or content.
  • it would allow more "open time" to relax and connect and discover the place, more time to learn form each other, and more time to work in good conditions

You will also find in the document a FAQ session where we (I) tried to answer your questions.
Please don't hesitate to comment on the findings of the survey, either in this discussion or in the google doc.

Organizing next summit

The first idea was to do it in Marocco, and indeed we were all quite enthusiastic about it. But some concern has been raised, rightfully, concerning the ecologic impact of all the community taking a plane to go there. Not really consistent with our values, and quite bad in term of image just after COP21!

So first question : where else to you suggest to organize our december summit? Who would be happy to host it ?

second question : do you agree to make it longer, for example going from 3 core days to 5 core days? or do you have other suggestions about this ?

Thank you for taking time to discuss and aswer this! Summits are really important times for our community, so it's worth taking a few minutes to think about it and share your ideas, needs, suggestions :-)

Maud for the Summit team

Myriam Bouré

Myriam Bouré September 4th, 2015 23:09

Thank you @maud1 for the great feedback work from last summit, and opening up that conversation :-)

I think it's great to extend to 5 core days, but the we should maybe plan a bit ahead for the next summits so that we can book 5 days in a row... like it would be great if the date of next summit was fixed at the summit before, all together, even if we don't know where it is, at least we can book in our agendas and don't take any other commitments. Anyway I vote for 5 days in december if we manage to plan the date very quickly!!!

About the "where"... if we want to make it easier for people in Europe to reach the place by train/bus to limit our carbon footprint, then maybe somewhere in Eastern Europe could be good, if we manage to find a "local base" to host us. If we want to meet in a remote area, it doesn't matter so much if it's not in a country where there is already an active OuiShare community...? Of course it is better if it is hosted by someone from the community, but maybe we should not limit ourself to that option.

But on the other side, I think it's also a bit less inclusive to always focus on the part of the community which is in central Europe... and I thought Marocco was a good idea because 1/ It's not too expensive (can be discussed maybe...) and not far to go from central Europe so the big European community can easily go (not much more difficult than going to Calvanico I think ;-)) 2/ It can be great to include the emerging MENA community in the global gathering

Lots of global open-source projects organize regularly global hackaton where they invite all the contributors to gather, meet, and work together while having fun. They choose a cheap place (I heard quite some examples in eastern Europe) to make it the more accessible possible for everybody.

So I'm a bit "mixes feeling" as I'm very conscious about the environmental impact, but the inclusiveness is also important to me...

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 5th, 2015 23:44

Thx Maud
yes to 5 days instead of 3. it seems problematic that no one has fully embraced hosting the next summit yet. Morocco could have been an option but I think we lack local support to make it happen. I'd say that we go anywhere someone can take care of it.
can we agree on the week? there was a discussion about sometime between Dec 11 & Dec 20? work in progress, xx

Albert Cañigueral

Albert Cañigueral September 6th, 2015 13:42

Dec 18th several of the OS Spain members (myself, Luis, Pako, etc.) are already booked for an event in Zaragoza. We already moved the date once so this day is out for part of the ES team

Places
* POC21 castle? ... maybe too cold in Dec? :)

  • In Spain we could go south. Extremadura region (Badajoz) might be an option yet it is not easy to reach regarding carbon footprint. Best is fly to Portugal and take a bus I think. Angel is the leader of amazing http://www.espacioconvento.com/... also not so so hot: https://goo.gl/ZaFow7
DL

Donatienne Lavoillotte September 6th, 2015 13:53

I agree for a summit between December 13th & 20th (just after COP21) or beginning of January if not possible in December.
For the place, I don't have any idea or proposition. About POC21 castle, it's already pretty cold in september, and the kitchen won't be there any more in december. But it could be an experience :)

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 6th, 2015 15:10

how about in/near Zaragoza? otherwise Dec 11-17?
Millemont (POC21) would be too uncomfortable during winter

Albert Cañigueral

Albert Cañigueral September 6th, 2015 15:24

@daviddebelleville not a bad idea. In fact the Zaragoza people are workng on a "mini fest" so having as many OS peeps around as possible makes sense. I will ask

Not sure about the logistics but they could get support from BCN/MAD/Extremadura teams at least.

Bezdomny

Bezdomny September 6th, 2015 20:08

It's a 4 hour boat ride from Athens, but a friend own this set of villas in Koufonissia. I've spent some time. It could fit up to 60 people. There are several villas on the property. It's near Amorgos and Keros an ancient uninhabited island from the Cycladic period.
There are Airports that are closer in Naxos and Paros as well, with international flights.
Just and idea

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 8th, 2015 10:54

Hey, can you ask your friend about pricing (for the upcoming summit or a later one)? Looks good :)

Albert Cañigueral

Albert Cañigueral September 8th, 2015 11:12

Zaragoza option is real and they are interested, if there is interest on OuiShare side!

Francesca

Francesca September 8th, 2015 12:25

I think that sounds interesting @albertcanigueral . I agree with @myriamboure that we should probably set the dates NOW, and then see. Just fyi, acutally we wanted to set date + place for the next summit in Salerno, but many things came in between and it simply was not possible....

I think between the 13 - 20 th of December is good!

Myriam Bouré

Myriam Bouré September 8th, 2015 14:37

13-20 sounds good, yes!

Maud

Maud September 9th, 2015 12:20

+1 for Zaragoza.
Concerning the dates, @albertcanigueral pointed out that many of spanish members has an event starting the 18th, so should we favor between 11 and 18th?

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 12th, 2015 10:29

+1 for Dec 11-18 with possible extra days after for those who can & want
Happy with any reasonably comfortable location. I've looked for places in the south of France. nothing really convincing so far. the cheapest I found for about 50 ppl was near Faro in Portugal where they have loads of ugly comfortable apartments on the same site, but no real meeting spaces.

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 12th, 2015 10:31

another option could be the huge flat we lived in during the Copass Camp in Lisbon. I'll get details (capacity, price & availability) asap.

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 12th, 2015 13:36

a general thought about spreading the load of big gatherings. it could be interesting to move the winter summit to mi-Feb, 3 months later the Paris Fest in mid-May, 3 months later the summer summit in mid-Aug, and 3 months later another event (i.e. BCN Fest in mid-Nov). any opinions?

Bezdomny

Bezdomny September 12th, 2015 13:41

@daviddebelleville I haven't discussed prices yet, but the owner is fan of OuiShare. About dates, she said anytime in June 2016 can work. The three villas can accommodate 48 people all together, anyone else can camp out.
What sort of price would be considered good?

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 12th, 2015 17:14

I'd say we're trying to stay under EUR100 per head for 7 nights. if transportation is cheaper, it gives us a little more leg room (hence Spain & Portugal). thx for enquiring, it can also be useful for later gatherings.

Francesca

Francesca September 12th, 2015 19:08

@daviddebelleville I generally totally agree it makes sense to move the summits to other times of year, but I don't think we should have anything in August. How about Jan + July?

Jocelyn Ibarra

Jocelyn Ibarra September 12th, 2015 20:14

Moving summit dates sounds super super good!

The winter one is hard because of winter holidays, and the summer one is weird because it leaves 2 months sort of off (not in the Americas, but yes on your side).
If it happens in July, having one month off is good for reflection and a break (necessary).

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David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 12th, 2015 21:08

I do like the "back to school" feel of end of August gatherings. it is no accident most politcal parties (and other activist groups) in France hold their "universités d'été" at that time, getting their armies back in order for the work to come. on pragmatic grounds, accommodation & travel expenses are higher in August. a rational plan probably doesn't matter so much anyway as we'll end up doing what we collectively manage to push through ;)

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Benjamin Tincq

Benjamin Tincq September 13th, 2015 11:08

Personally I will be off for 2 months of vacation (I've almost not taken any in the last 3 years) in January and February, so I would rather keep the Summit in december :)

From the 13th I would be able to join, before will be impossible for me because of the COP21.

In any case, I would either go south (Spain, Italy, Greece, Corsica, southern France?) or in the Alps to combine it with skiing, but it would then get much more expensive!

Antonin Léonard

Antonin Léonard September 13th, 2015 14:35

+1 on moving Summits to End of February / End of August

It makes a lot of sense for the reasons aforementioned and June is very (too?) close to OuiShare Fest.

I won't be able to make it on Dec 11-18 but not big deal if we stick to that decision .

Juho Makkonen

Juho Makkonen September 13th, 2015 16:40

I also really like the idea of moving Summits to February & August, and then having two bigger events in May & November. I've always felt that the summer Summit is a bit too close to the Fest. I might be able to make it in December, but February is easier for me.

Eugenio Battaglia

Eugenio Battaglia September 14th, 2015 07:04

My thoughts:

  • Agree on moving the summit period as @daviddebelleville mentioned.

  • Agree on extending the core days to 5. The work is growing and our issues need more than 3 tight days.

  • About the next location I like:

  1. Espacio Convento as mentioned by @albertcanigueral
  2. or Greece as it's better for the weather.
  3. Alternatively South of France seems a good option either @marieannebernascon @claudinerevol1 (?)
Joachim Lohkamp

Joachim Lohkamp September 14th, 2015 09:40

+1 for Zaragoza
+1 for alternative dates for summits

Francesca

Francesca September 14th, 2015 10:21

Ok guys, so it seems like there is a decent amount of consensus on the topics.

Do we have concrete feasible proposal from anyone yet in terms location which we could make a decision on (I mean adding a decision here on loomio)? Or do the people working on potential options need more time / information ?

As the date seems to be the most urgent point, @maud let's pick one that we can propose for discussion?

Francesca

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David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 14th, 2015 14:09

News from Lisbon :

Hi David,
It's great to have news from you, and i'm very glad that you decided to return to Lisbon.
Like Stefano told you, we are opening a new house really close by the other one.
We have availability for that period for both houses:
- Lost Lisbon (Cais do Sodre) - 12 rooms (twins, doubles and triples) - have the capacity for 30 people
- Lost Lisbon (Chiado) - 11 rooms (twins and doubles) - have the capacity for 22 people
The price for each room is 50€/night.
Have a great day,

João Pedro Barros

Thanks Joao for your fast reply,
I've done my math :
50x7x(12+11)= 8050 EUR total
which means 8050/55= 146 EUR per person (if full capacity).
Unfortunately this is significantly above what our volunteer members can afford. our internal survey on the topic shows a median max budget of 100 EUR per person per week.
So, unless we find a sponsor (very unlikely given the short deadline) I'm afraid it's going to be difficult in comparison with other options.
Let me know if you have a creative idea about how to make it happen, while I do the same on my end.
Muito obrigado, até,

David

Note that the median budget of EUR100 is an invention of mine ;)

Bezdomny

Bezdomny September 14th, 2015 21:07

@daviddebelleville @eugeniobattaglia1 For Greece, I think next year would be best. The island I mentioned is not as beautiful in the winter... But we'll see what happens next year...
Regarding the date change: Remember that in July and August airfare hits a peak for flights going from North to Southern Europe, but the opposite is usually still affordable. June and September are already reasonable again, and the winter is the best for air travel prices.

Maud

Maud September 15th, 2015 09:34

I agree it's a good idea to spread our meeting times through the year; not sure though concerning end of August time, start of september or end of july would work better for me most of the time I think.
Should we post 2 propositions? One with changing the rythm of OuiShare meetings, and the other one with dates for february (What about the first week of February ?)

Thomas Dönnebrink

Thomas Dönnebrink September 15th, 2015 12:31

SUGGESTED TIMETABLE FOR OS-SUMMITS & OS-FESTS
How about one big OuiShare Event about every three months, alternating one with outreach focus (like OuiShareFest Main and OuiShareFest Local (next Barcelona)) and one with inreach focus (OuiShare Summits) more or less spread equally over the year. Taken the OuiShareFest in Paris for granted in May. An annual plan could look like:
February: OuiShare Summit (preferably in the South?)
May: OuiShareFest Paris or later other city (main event)
August end/Sept beginning?: OuiShare Summit (preferably in the North?)
November: OuiShareFest (more local promoting event)

Thomas Dönnebrink

Thomas Dönnebrink September 15th, 2015 12:33

100% +1 with extending it from 3 to 5 or even 7 days. - Given that we burden our ecological footprint for getting there, we could also use days around the main core days for people working on different OS-projects to come together and work - MPRL-style - on them.

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 16th, 2015 14:38

new news from Lisbon,
We can have the entire Lost Lisbon flat (30 ppl) for EUR3000 for a week. We could host our sessions & cook our meals there for all 50 participants. The remaining 20 connectors would have to stay at guesthouses/hotels/airbnb in the vicinity.
I think this is a very serious option. check out the place : http://www.lostlisbon.pt/rental/lisbon-guesthouse/

@albertcanigueral what is the status on Zaragoza accommodation?

Francesca

Francesca September 16th, 2015 22:02

that is awesome @daviddebelleville ! that place looks GREAT I think and quite affordable. For you information, in the current budget as fix costs, we have 1 000 € for summit costs, apart from the 1500 € travel stipend, which could mainly be used for needed materials and maybe some meals (this still needs to be decided). In the past we had additional sponsorship so that is why we had more budget.

Simone Cicero

Simone Cicero September 17th, 2015 07:10

i'm really keen to move the summit on Jan/Feb, the only concern I've with Lisbon is that is far West in Europe and flights usually cost more than other locations.
@albertcanigueral any chance to come back to Barcelona? :)

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 17th, 2015 15:56

** Spacing gatherings **
I propose we submit a vote to space gatherings as follows :
- Feb, Winter Summit (Southern Europe)
- mid-May, Fest in Paris
- end of Aug, Summer Summit (Northern Europe)
- Nov, Fall event (ie BCN Fest)

** Date of the next Summit **
I propose :
- we decide what day of the week the Summit should begin & end
- we submit a doodle vote on 4 consecutive weeks in Feb with precise starting & ending dates (ie Feb 5-10, Feb 12-17, Feb 19-24, Feb 26-Mar 2). Project teams can then make additional arrangements before or after the Summit.

** Location **
@simonecicero one of the positive points about Lisbon is that both Ryan Air and Easyjet fly there, opening up loads of cheap direct connections. Barcelona has even more options and slightly cheaper routes but accommodation is significantly more expensive there. as far as I know the overall budget is lower in Lisbon than in Barcelona... and we have no concrete proposal in BCN.

Maud

Maud started a proposal September 21st, 2015 18:47

Timing of gatherings through the year Closed 10:08pm - Monday 28 Sep 2015

Outcome
by Maud May 16th, 2017 18:19

So it seems that everyone following what's happening on loomio agrees with our new timing of gatherings :

  • Feb, Winter Summit (Southern Europe)
  • mid-May, Fest in Paris
  • end of Aug/beginning of september, Summer Summit (Northern Europe)
  • Nov, Fall event (ie BCN Fest)

Thanks for your participation!

This is the proposition we need to agree on : space gatherings as follows :

  • Feb, Winter Summit (Southern Europe)
  • mid-May, Fest in Paris
  • end of Aug/beginning of september, Summer Summit (Northern Europe)
  • Nov, Fall event (ie BCN Fest)

Results
Agree - 25
Abstain - 25
Disagree - 25
Block - 25
25 people have voted (10%)
Maud

Maud September 21st, 2015 18:51

Date of next summit : I think if we want to make it 5 days it's good we is included as it's more easier to "take out" only 3 days for people working. I did like the rythm of London Summit : 3 days working, one day off and back for 2 days working (oups it makes 6 days in a row, but one day activities). I would propose something like Summits start on Thursday and end on Tuesday. What do you think all ?

AR

Antares Reisky
Agree
September 21st, 2015 19:03

Auli Kütt

Auli Kütt
Agree
September 21st, 2015 20:06

David De Belleville

David De Belleville
Agree
September 21st, 2015 20:15

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 21st, 2015 20:18

I like having the summit across a long weekend so that train/airfare is cheaper.
How about having super-core days (Sat-Sun) and core days (Fri & Mo), plus additional project/team/vacation days arranged in a decentralized & autonomous way around the core?

Jocelyn Ibarra

Jocelyn Ibarra
Agree
September 21st, 2015 20:30

This doesn't mean we're confirming assistance, yes?
It's just to Okay the timing...?

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 21st, 2015 20:55

yes @jocelynibarra it's only a generic tentative schedule for gatherings along the year... until the next better idea ;)

Antonin Léonard

Antonin Léonard
Agree
September 21st, 2015 21:17

Francesca

Francesca
Agree
September 21st, 2015 21:27

Thomas Dönnebrink

Thomas Dönnebrink
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 06:39

+1 with everybody so far :) cool!

Simone Cicero

Simone Cicero
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 09:03

Ok with this timing!

Eugenio Battaglia

Eugenio Battaglia
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 09:07

Myriam Bouré

Myriam Bouré
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 09:48

Myriam Bouré

Myriam Bouré September 22nd, 2015 09:55

I like the idea also of having the summit over a long week-end, the Thursday to Tuesday option :-)

Khushboo Balwani

Khushboo Balwani
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 10:22

This is great :)

DU

[deactivated account]
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 10:25

Juho Makkonen

Juho Makkonen
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 10:37

Albert Cañigueral

Albert Cañigueral
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 10:47

Joachim Lohkamp

Joachim Lohkamp
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 11:58

Bezdomny

Bezdomny
Agree
September 22nd, 2015 13:45

DF

Daniele Fappiano
Agree
September 23rd, 2015 05:19

Claudine Revol

Claudine Revol
Agree
September 23rd, 2015 08:57

Claudine Revol

Claudine Revol September 23rd, 2015 08:57

What are the next steps ? Maud, did you talked to Asmaa ?

Maud

Maud
Agree
September 23rd, 2015 12:32

Maud

Maud September 23rd, 2015 12:42

@claudinerevol1 Next steps are
* choosing the precise date, should we launch a doodle on that? The options are 4-9th February or 11-17 or 18-23 or 25-1st march
* and finding/confirming a place; we already had some propositions through @daviddebelleville for Lisbonne I guess for the most advanced one ?

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 23rd, 2015 12:53

maybe before asking connectors to vote for a week for February, we should validate the format (start day & end day of the week) : 6-day (Thu-Tue), 4-day (Fri-Mon), other suggestion? any insights from the survey?

Claudine Revol

Claudine Revol September 23rd, 2015 12:58

@maud1 @daviddebelleville one thing to check for the date is the one of the summit france: with Bordeaux team we were talking about february/march. It hasn't to be at the same period.
Then for the place, Lisboa is according to me too isolated and we will have the same plane effect than for Marroco. I would go for south or france or north of spain.

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 23rd, 2015 13:04

@claudinerevol1 yes let us know about the France summit. If the global community agrees with the suggested year schedule it would be great that national/local groups manage to work around it.
as for location for Feb, please feel free to look for places and share a budgeted proposal. so far Lisbon is the only option I have found, but I'm sure other members can make additional concrete proposals if they find the time.

David De Belleville

David De Belleville September 23rd, 2015 13:08

a thought about national/regional gatherings, they could be synchronized around Nov in the future. only as a guideline of course.

P

Pako
Agree
September 27th, 2015 21:06

Elena Giroli

Elena Giroli
Agree
September 27th, 2015 22:59

Sounds good!

David Weingartner

David Weingartner
Agree
September 28th, 2015 07:00

Bernie J Mitchell

Bernie J Mitchell
Agree
September 28th, 2015 07:31

Maud

Maud September 28th, 2015 07:51

@daviddebelleville no no specific insight in the survey to decide the days of the week and length. I will make a proposal let's see how people react :-)

Marie-Anne Bernasconi

Marie-Anne Bernasconi
Agree
September 28th, 2015 09:36

DL

Donatienne Lavoillotte
Agree
September 28th, 2015 16:12

Lucía Hernández

Lucía Hernández September 28th, 2015 18:23

Difficult for me to come at the end of august begining of september but very good schedule. :)

Maud

Maud started a proposal September 29th, 2015 13:11

Deciding lenght and days of Summit Closed 2:07pm - Friday 2 Oct 2015

Outcome
by Maud May 16th, 2017 18:19

So guys, here we are :
* global summit will take place in february - in this doodle ; dates that seem to be favored : jeu. 18/02 – mar. 23/02 or jeu. 25/02 – mar. 01/03. it's still time to vote :-)

Regarding the comments in this loomio post and in the survey, I propose the following :

  • having our summits starting on Thursdays
  • having one day off / activities / visit in the middle of it (on sunday)
  • endind summits on tuesdays

--> 5 days summits with the week-end and one day off in the middle of it.

Results
Agree - 7
Abstain - 7
Disagree - 7
Block - 7
8 people have voted (3%)
Ana

Ana
Agree
September 29th, 2015 20:35

Auli Kütt

Auli Kütt
Agree
September 30th, 2015 13:52

Sounds reasonable.

N

nelly
Agree
October 1st, 2015 10:17

Amanda Jansen

Amanda Jansen
Agree
October 1st, 2015 13:08

Bezdomny

Bezdomny
Agree
October 1st, 2015 13:25

Amanda Jansen

Amanda Jansen October 1st, 2015 13:38

I did propose to do it in Morocco, but to contribute to sustainable waterprojects there by introducing POC21 fantastic results to local people partnering with World Waternet (that has a long running project there): http://www.worldwaternet.com where I have an entree and was dropping the idea to combine it with the Sharitories approach. I need to continue negotiations and we might make it a partnership later (we can imagine..). I posted a doc on this in Slack earlier. Can't we make our journeys more sustainable by adding sustainable value to our surroundings and perhaps lengthening our Summits more for the leading project group and people that want to contribute?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DzMz8-DCYL7pIIKR0ylniYKt4YeqphZzSb3dzmMjyz8/edit?usp=sharing

Joachim Lohkamp

Joachim Lohkamp
Agree
October 1st, 2015 14:25

Juho Makkonen

Juho Makkonen
Agree
October 1st, 2015 14:39

David De Belleville

David De Belleville October 1st, 2015 16:06

@amandajansen yes all project teams are encouraged to meet before/after the core days of the summit. in full autonomy.

David De Belleville

David De Belleville
Disagree
October 1st, 2015 16:32

I actually don't support having a day off during the weekend. some of us have work commitments that limit our ability to be away during weekdays. I'd rather miss a day of sightseeing than a day of core activities. no big deal, just a preference, x

Myriam Bouré

Myriam Bouré October 2nd, 2015 05:54

I am a little bit "torn" like @daviddebelleville on the question of the day-off in the middle... As we have limited time I would also go in the direction of 5 core days in a row were we build our strategy together and align with another, and one day with activities before or after, to connect with each other on a different level and feel the "togetherness". But as this "togetherness" is also pretty core for our community, I think it can also be smart to put it in the middle, so that we really take that time together (if at the beginning or at the end, we will probably lose a lot of people...) What are your thoughts on that?

Antonin Léonard

Antonin Léonard October 2nd, 2015 13:33

Hey, thanks @maud1 for the initiative but... do we really need to decide / vote on this?

Maud

Maud October 6th, 2015 14:59

@antoninleonard well I guess people who wanted to express a concern or idea about it did, and the other just didn't. As long as summits concern the whole community and want to be as inclusive as possible, the lenght and active days of summit can have an impact on that :-)
@daviddebelleville and @myriamboure yes I understand the concern; but in the survey there were some comment on the need to take some break together (and we could, or at least I did, feel during the summit this need of some to just take a break but enjoying each other company). But as said Myriam, it doesn't have to be "sightseeing", it can be visiting a place of interest towards collaborative society like a learning expedition, meeting local peoples or doing something together, either sport or else. And if we put this at the beginning or end of the summit, I think it will miss its point, as a lot of people will miss the opportunity to just meet in a different context.

Maud

Maud October 6th, 2015 15:27

So guys, here we are :
* global summit will take place in february - in this doodle the different dates options
* still, the dates often depend of the places, we still don't have any proposition that stands out... so far we have :
1. @daviddebelleville proposing Lisboa (already in contact with possible places)
2. @amandajansen proposing Maroc, with the idea of making a link to Waternet projet
3. @albertcanigueral speaking about south of spain and Zaragosa (but it would have been better in december then?)
4. @bezdomny speaking of greece, but not for this winter if I understood well?
5. Other people (@claudinerevol1 and others I believe) who would rather go to north of spain (BCN?) or south of France, but we don't have any concrete proposition for that. Millemont near paris will be too cold.
So, what are your ideas / concrete propositions on that ? :-)

Francesca

Francesca October 11th, 2015 22:07

Actually, @asmaaguedira told me the other day that she has a great proposal for Morocco now! I'll let her share her idea :)

Asmaa Guedira

Asmaa Guedira October 15th, 2015 13:58

Hello lovely people!

So this summer I helped a friend crowdfunding and opening her space in Taghazout, a fishing village near Morocco. Now The Blue House is bought and ready, and we can all be hosted in hotels / houses near it for the summit!

I have already spoke to Aline, she is going to send me a budget for housing + food (very cheap) + activities like surf and Yoga because it happens a famous surf spot in the global surf community ;)

We will make the workshops & meeting under big berber tents, it's the way we do in the region, very practical and easy to set up.

There are many ways to reach Taghazout by plain:
- Agadir + 20 min drive
- Marrakech + 3 hours drive
- Casablanca + 5 hours drive

If you all agree on this I would also like to organize a OuiShare Village public day in Casablanca.

Let me know what you think :)

More infos:
Place: http://www.thebluehouse.io/#find-inspiration-in-morocco
Weather: http://www.accuweather.com/fr/ma/taghazout/1619194/month/1619194?monyr=2/01/2016#

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Amanda Jansen

Amanda Jansen October 16th, 2015 04:18

Absolutely awesome Asmaa! I just got to Tim from Waternet. I'll see him next week and talk things over. What if we could do some sustainable waterproject together near or in Casablanca (5 hours drive I see.. ;-) )?

And.. love the weather! Never was and love to go to Morocco.

Francesca

Francesca October 19th, 2015 20:53

Great proposal @asmaaguedira ! I am definiteyl in for this option. I would say it is totally up to your and your local community if you want to organize a ouishare village: It may be a lot of work for those organizing it who will be able to participate less during the summit itself (as it has often been in the past), but it's surely a great opportunity!

Simone Cicero

Simone Cicero October 20th, 2015 07:49

Hello :) just let me highlight that flights to Morocco are typically more expensive: just checked and there's hardly something less than 200/250 FYI

Bezdomny

Bezdomny October 20th, 2015 09:14

There are also ferries to Marocco, from France, Italy and Spain. Not sure of prices

Bezdomny

Bezdomny October 20th, 2015 09:16

One approach would be to put a group on a bus and take the ferry with a group ticket, there's a big discount for that.

Maud

Maud October 20th, 2015 12:23

that sounds really good, definitely it could be good to have this option of bus + ferry @bezdomny . Thanks for your proposal @asmaaguedira ! I'm up for it. Concerning the dates I think we need to confirm them soon; looking at doodle either from 18/02 till 23/02 or from 25/02 till 01/03. Is one of these options better for you / for the place that would host us ?

Bezdomny

Bezdomny October 20th, 2015 13:02

@maud1 Just to give you an idea, I looked up R/T from Livorno, Italy to Tangier, Morocco. See below. If you make a group booking it can bring the individual cost greatly. The company is Grimaldi Lines. NOTE: there are not departures every day.

Also wanted to mention that there is more flexibility with ferries; i.e.: you can book departure from Livorno and then go to Barcelona after the summit.

Benjamin Tincq

Benjamin Tincq October 20th, 2015 13:44

Hello friends, to be honest I have always been, and I am still skeptical about the relevancy of organizing a OuiShare Summit in such a "remote place" (relatively speaking for most of the community members).

Carbon-wise, budget-wise and travel-time-wise, it would seem much more reasonsable and feasible for me to remain a bit closer to the "gravity center" of our team, which today is more within European borders.

That being said, as I cannot take the lead on the organization, I will likely go on whatever is happening, but I am a bit concerned that with everyone having busy schedules as always, most people will favor flying over bus/ferry, with the negative environmental impact we know

Cheers,
Ben

Thomas Dönnebrink

Thomas Dönnebrink October 20th, 2015 14:10

Totally sharing Ben's three concerns - especially about the environmental footprint, our Archilles heel of being credible change makers.
On the other hand would be great - especially for non-European-centric reasons - to go to places beyond. Also collaborative bus- and/or ferryboat ride sounds cool aswell. Difficult question and decision.
Leaving it up to who takes the lead.

Maud

Maud started a proposal November 3rd, 2015 09:56

Dates of next Summit : 18/02 - 23/02 Closed 10:07am - Wednesday 4 Nov 2015

Outcome
by Maud May 16th, 2017 18:19

Dates of next Summit : 18/02 - 23/02

We need to fix a date because we all need to organize ourselves, so I propose to fix next summit between the 18th of february till the 23rd.

This proposal doesn't include a place as so far no one as clearly taken the lead to organize the logistical aspects of the summit. Don't forget there is some (small but existing) budget to pay people working on the summit.

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