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Wed 21 Aug 2019

Parish assets crowd sourcing

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Kristin Warry Public Seen by 167

The Parishes around the country are about to start managing much of the land and paths, plus assets like play areas and bins. The aim is to quickly collate a case study for transmission (hopefully) via NALC for mutual benefit. I am going to use my village with the full cooperation of the parish council already acquired, but would welcome some additional varied data such as coastal areas, dual language areas etc. that aren鈥檛 really available in Wiltshire 馃槈

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RobJN Thu 29 Aug 2019

Living in the Midlands, I'm not the best placed to help with a coastal area or dual language area. I am interested in learning more. You said that Parishes will start managing more - is there some legislative change that implemented this? Something I can point to that a local Parish would be aware off. I'm trying to work out the best way to approach Parishes and if I can refer to something they will understand it may help smooth the conversation.

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Kristin Warry Thu 29 Aug 2019

Nope, the third sector (includes other types like town councils etc) has always been fed from OS via the local council, usually the planning authority. And most of the authorities don鈥檛 have time to help them much beyond a copy of major planning maps!

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RobJN Thu 29 Aug 2019

I found a Digital Mapping Toolkit document (https://www.nalc.gov.uk/ourpublications) but no mention of OpenStreetMap in the text or the case studies. No mention of "open data" either. Feels like we should see if we can get one of the OSM case studies included in the next iteration of this publication.

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Kristin Warry Thu 29 Aug 2019

I鈥檝e got a major snag in that the built in browser which I envisioned the parishes using cant actually draw polygons! The area button just give a line with an internal buffer of a few metres, meaning the middle of a football pitch won鈥檛 register a click, but the edge will

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RobJN Thu 29 Aug 2019

Which software/website is that? I know systems like Leaflet and UMap, both of which don't have that problem but perhaps you are trying to make use of a system that Parish coucils may already have some familiarity with...?

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Kristin Warry Thu 29 Aug 2019

The built in OSM one :/

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RobJN Mon 2 Sep 2019

Ah you mean the OpenStreetMap online editor ("iD"). It displays areas that way for a reason, namely to all users to click on objects that are within the area (e.g. a bench within a park) without having to face issues as to which object is above/below another.

The fact that iD shows it that way does not mean the data is not captured in the database as an area - it is.

I'm not sure I would describe it as a "major snag". Maybe you can explain a bit more as to why you think this is a problem.

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Kristin Warry Thu 10 Oct 2019

I mailed this, but putting here as I got no response:

It appears that the built in browser doesn't allow you create actual polygons! it creates a line with an internal buffer such that the centre of an area doesn't register when clicked on. Also when you do click round the edge, the legend does not match the area type selected from the list. I didn't want to go straight to the forum so hope you don't mind me coming back to your first. As I said, I am well able to use other systems, but this isn't the way to get the parishes on board.

To see what I mean please look at https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=18/51.33988/-1.76028 and see the allotments in green dotted, not the allotment brown, and only the edges registering anyway, and seemingly unable to edit the green polygon that is there instead or add a new polygon that isn't just a line buffer?

any ideas?

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Kristin Warry Thu 10 Oct 2019

ie unless you click on the edge of the allotments, nothing shows up!

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Edward Bainton Fri 11 Oct 2019

Hi Kristin

I'm not sure which person you've been in touch with before now, so excuse me butting in to an existing conversation if it's not helpful. (I'm also new to this Loomio forum, so everyone else please forgive any breach of netiquette!)

I think getting parishes on OSM is absolutely great, so all power to your effort. I hope you find quick and easy answers to your questions.

My newcomer鈥檚 eyes are clouding over a bit, but I agree with your sentiment that there is a job to do to make editing the map more intuitive and more quickly learnable. But the essence of OSM is mutual help, so hopefully you will find answers from others fairly easily (and if you log all your puzzles and annoyances somewhere, that could contribute to discussions on continual improvement).

This Loomio forum is very low traffic (mainly for making decisions about the activities of that fragment of the UK effort that is organised and incorporated). So I think the forum or OSM Help may be a better bet for practical help.

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I鈥檝e tried to make sense of your question, and have written a full response on my 鈥楾alk鈥 page on 鈥榯he Wiki鈥. Forgive me if it鈥檚 teaching you to suck eggs as you may know a lot of what I鈥檝e written. But I hope some of it may be helpful.

Kind regards,

Edward

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Kristin Warry Fri 11 Oct 2019

Thanks for responding. I have added some notes to your wiki.

Have suggested we actually talk, as this looks to me currently as a non starter. Whilst I am well able to correct the issues on a one by one basis, the parishes aren鈥檛.

Kristin

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Edward Bainton Fri 11 Oct 2019

Thanks for the note.

I don't actually see any notes on my wiki page. Not to worry - I will message you through Loomio with my number. If that doesn't work, feel free to message me through my map 'inbox', or share your map username here and I'll message you.

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Edward Bainton Fri 11 Oct 2019

PS I'm eteb3, lower case, on the map

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RobJN Sun 13 Oct 2019

Hi Kristin. Also happy to help if needed. I think it is just a different way of working in regards to how you select polygons (as that is what they are stored as) using OpenStreeMap's ID Editor. As for the colour being green not brown, as per the legend; this is a recent change and the legend is now out of date.