Loomio
Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:50AM

Hate speech / cyber-bullying. Avoiding bad PR

MV Moritz Voss Public Seen by 123

DISCLAIMER: I do not want to police diaspora.I understand if podmins want to run their private 4chan and i understand why this is in concept a great idea.

So.... I ran into another holocaust apologist today.

This raises the issue of how diapora handles free speech and the reporting of users.

Supposedly it is up to podmins to "police" their userbase (geraspora for example, seems to delete/ban users who post facist propaganda).

However, the current structure of diaspora seems to (as far as I can understand), by design, enable cross-posting of content to other linked pods without any filters applied.

This creates several challenges:

  1. Some countries have legal ramnifications for publishing certain material (be it copyright, cyber-bullying, hatespeech etc)

  2. This could very quickly turn into bad PR for diaspora.

  3. Witch-hunts, flame-fests and all the usual goodness (data-trash).

One can of course argue that the "ignore" user feature is enough. However, what if diaspora grows to a degree where this becomes exceedingly difficult? What if podmins get sucked into all sorts of legal trouble? What if some tabloid journalist decides to go on a crusade nailing diaspora as a plattform for terrorists/pedophiles/nazis, etc.?

What control mechanisms are in place? Are they transparent? Are they easy to use?

This is something which should be handled delicately and early, before such problems arise (and believe me, they will, when nobody expects or/and is ready to handle them).

What do you guys think? Am I just paranoid?

MV

Moritz Voss Sun 17 Feb 2013 10:53AM

Here are some potential ideas which might help:

1: A pod-related manifesto or TOS which can be modified by the podmin to hold legal and ideological disclaimers and is visible quickly and on request to users when they sign up and after.

2: A "report" user feature (the grumpy button) which reports a post/user to the podmin.

3: User "reputation", be it public or private which can be transfered between pods. A tag/score system comes to mind.

4: A sharable ignore list for users.

5: A diaspora manifesto/disclaimer on the wiki which offers immediate insight for people running amok trying to get user XY banned.

MV

Moritz Voss Sun 17 Feb 2013 7:25PM

Ideally the feature should work in a way that

A: a disgruntled user gets the sense that he is potentially heard,

B: the podmin has a chance to act, with enough information

C: the user being reported is notified (without showing him the reporter) so he knows what's up and can take measures if everything was just a misunderstanding.

D: and all that in a way that the podmin can not later be legally nailed down on the fact that he knew about it.

Quite a challenge... did I mention I am willing to code this if this discussion gets lively enough and turns into enough of a roughdraft?

ST

Sean Tilley Sun 17 Feb 2013 8:41PM

A few thoughts:

  1. We had an idea a while back about implementing a sort of drop-in "Terms of Service", in which a podmin could update the TOS, and everyone would be notified of a new TOS to agree to the next time they refreshed the stream or something.

You could just have a boolean field to check whether or not a user has accepted the new TOS, and this field simply gets reset every time a new TOS comes up.

  1. I think a system for reporting users is fundamentally important when it's on community hosting. There could be some kind of function in which you flag a user, add a comment on why you're flagging them, and a notification of some sort goes to the podmin.

  2. User reputation may be a bit of a sticky subject. Some users will say things that are unpopular, but the problem is, those scores can be manipulated simply by communicating with like-minded people. If you see a Neo-Nazi posting, sure, you could give him some negative feedback, but he could just as easily offset it with popular feedback from his Neo-Nazi friends. Besides which, we're not Klout.

MV

Moritz Voss Wed 20 Feb 2013 4:14AM

I agree that a public reputation system is kind of a nono since it creates competition and data-trash. However, it would help podmins to know how often a certain user has received negative attention and when in order to make an educated decision.

H

hewiak Mon 25 Feb 2013 7:27PM

legally, it might be the best idea to have a way to forward any posts in question (a version of share?) to pod storage file where they could (or, at least it could be said they could) be reviewed. how this is best done, UI-wise, might well determine how spammy and trashy it becomes--that is to say, there should be adequate hurdles for the 'hate speech reporter' in place, so that reporting on a whim is kept to a minimum, and is well documented (a pop-up with a list of questions to be answered tends to take the fun out of it).

TS

Tom Scott Mon 25 Feb 2013 7:36PM

Has anyone ever tried a "private reputation system"? That is, you can give people karma and up/down vote posts, but none of that data is visible to the end user. It would certainly be an interesting experiment...to see how people change their ideas, beliefs and especially how they say things when they are criticized or praised by their peers.

However, I don't necessarily believe this whole idea is a good thing. If you don't like the way someone is behaving on your pod, you as a podmin have the right to revoke his/her account. If you're a user, you can just not follow that person or perhaps block them. I don't see why we need a censorship system in any way on a distributed social network.

TB

Poll Created Wed 3 Apr 2013 12:17AM

Diaspora community real-name search Closed Fri 12 Apr 2013 1:42AM

Outcome
by Troy Benjegerdes Tue 25 Apr 2017 5:54AM

Motion blocked. General consensus is that there are privacy implications in implementing real names for search.

My biggest complaint about Diaspora is finding people.

Both facebook and linkedin have policies that either require or strongly encourage people to use a name that could identify them in real life, rather than a pseudonym.

I would like to see a very clear 'publish my real name, and encourage search engines to find it' as a default option in Diaspora.

I'd also like to see a mock-up 'help' webpage that lays out very clearly to regular people what this means, and what they are gaining or losing by choosing to either publish their name, or not to publish.

I also think this would dramatically impact the potential issue of hate speech/cyber-bullying. If someone is bullying/hate-speeching, or whatever, I have no desire to censor them. I just wish to be able to clearly point out where they physically are, so that anyone who chooses to can confront them in person. This, in my mind, avoids any legal complications.

I'd also like to be able to block anyone (or at least filter) who does not use a real name from my activity feed.

Results

Results Option % of points Voters
Agree 14.3% 2 TB R
Abstain 7.1% 1 M
Disagree 7.1% 1 RF
Block 71.4% 10 ST FS TS F G DM L KC L C
Undecided 0% 256 BK MS AA S CB HF BO JH DM GC JH JR RF M EG G AX PC PP BB

14 of 270 people have participated (5%)

F

Flaburgan
Block
Wed 3 Apr 2013 8:20AM

Seriously? oO

Diaspora* is about respect of privacy! You don't know my real name, what's the problem about that?

G

goob
Block
Wed 3 Apr 2013 10:35AM

No, no, no, no. Sorry, but you are proposing something absolutely against Diaspora's principles of enabling people as much privacy as they want. You want Diaspora to be like Facebook and LinkedIn - no way.

L

L3MNcakes
Block
Wed 3 Apr 2013 2:25PM

Major privacy violations here.

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