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India's daughter and censorship

PP Pirate Praveen Public Seen by 152

We should demand lifting the ban on India's daughter. It is violating fundamental right to free speech and expression.

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Akshay Sat 14 Mar 2015 6:07PM

everyone must have freedom of expression, but what if something hurts someone (they too have the right to object).

Objection != suppression
Also watch this at least once https://youtu.be/jw3dDbc1BHE

AIB knockout also probably hurt some people. Why shouldn't it be banned? Meanwhile, I get hurt by Bollywood movies all the time. Can they be banned too?

that is made by some foreign entity and it seems so scripted. They don’t know about what happens in our country and they can’t just go on making any documentary

Why do you think foreigners can't understand what happens in our country? What is the basis of this statement? By your logic Mahatma Gandhi couldn't have lead Satyagrahas in South Africa, or Mother Teresa couldn't have done nursing in Kolkata.

Also the guy himself told, the docu is just fake and scripted (there was no tutor as such, and how come he knew what happened that day and which film they saw).

Which parts are lies? Let the guy friend himself describe the night. What do you think would have been differently described? Probably the movie name. What else?

Just give it a thought, if tomorrow someone comes and tells something about you or your community, how would you react.

I'd see if they make sense and either disagree with them or try to change my community.

She was a part of our vast family, we won’t stand with something that is against our family and actually with no actual base or reality in it.

So you support incestuous rape and murder but not foreign reporting of the same?

If they prove that the documentary is real and not scripted then they can telecast it or whatever they want to do. Otherwise, it is just not acceptable.

Since when is the onus of proof on the accused? You accuse someone, you substantiate.

Just want to point out that these are not political solutions, but acts of rebellion.

I guess pirate party would have pursued a political solution. it's probably true that directly violating laws would bring more harm than good. Wall of shame is a beautiful idea. It'll give a broader perspective rather than people trying to nitpick on each item.

The thing with india's daughter is that it feels so unfair to let it remain banned. So much that praveen and I were discussing about the chances of being arrested because of embedding the video and how even a day in jail is worth it (not more days though :D)

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Akshay Sun 15 Mar 2015 5:36AM

@vidyut I wrote about the problems with rape statistics here: http://qr.ae/jWCBH

You need social reform for the first - that accepts women’s sexual freedom. For the second, you need counselling and sex education that helps avoid deals such as “sex if you will marry me” to begin with.

Is there not a process called sensitization that precedes social reform or counseling? The most discussed part of the documentary was the statements about the girl roaming around with a guy friend in the night. Don't you think this puts the discussion directly on women's freedom and maybe even sexual freedom (not in any way implying the relationship between nirbhaya and her friend was sexual)

Domestic Abuse is way bigger as is economic exploitation of women. We haven’t even talked of all that.

Valid. Maybe we should have a section dedicated to gender equality on Indian pirates website. What do you think? There we can document the various situations where gender makes a difference.