Loomio
Sat 16 Mar 2013

~~ Loomio Community: The Wall ~~

JL
Jon Lemmon Public Seen by 1103

This is a place for anyone to share stuff with the Loomio Community that doesn't really deserve its own discussion. You can post links to videos or blog posts, rants, etc.

Think of it as the "high volume, low priority" area within the Loomio Community.

BK

Benjamin Knight Sat 16 Mar 2013

Awesome Jonny!

I believe @richarddbartlett has been referring to this as "What People Used To Use Yammer For"

JL

Jon Lemmon Sat 16 Mar 2013

Here's a pretty amazing visualisation of income inequality in the states:

http://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM

JV

Joshua Vial Sat 16 Mar 2013

Interesting idea - can I please have one level of comment threading and the preview feature for links that other walsl have then please :P

BK

Benjamin Knight Sat 16 Mar 2013

Yes @joshuavial, you may indeed participate in the UI re-design workshop in a few weeks!

I'm sure that's what you meant to ask :)

ST

Simon Tegg Tue 19 Mar 2013

The National General Assembly (US) are compiling a bug list

MC

Malcolm Colman-Shearer Thu 21 Mar 2013

Hi all, the Greenhaus Community (where I live, in Newtown Wellington) had its first week on Loomio. It went surprisingly smooth considering almost everyone's socialising is 99.9% offline! A few people commented on how the daily email summary was quite useful.

AI

Alanna Irving Thu 21 Mar 2013

A post about the relationship between vulnerability, empathy and user-centric design: http://the-pastry-box-project.net/sara-wachter-boettcher/2013-march-2013/

@jonlemmon

MB

Matthew Bartlett Fri 22 Mar 2013

Why some dude left Google "The Google I was passionate about was a technology company that empowered its employees to innovate. The Google I left was an advertising company with a single corporate-mandated focus."

AI

Alanna Irving Fri 22 Mar 2013

First as Tragedy, Then as Farce : In this short RSA Animate, renowned philosopher Slavoj Zizek investigates the surprising ethical implications of charitable giving. A sort of delightful misanthropic apocalyptic idealistic take on doing good in a broken system.

@benjaminknight @richarddbartlett

AI

Alanna Irving Sun 24 Mar 2013

Jus read the book Rework by 37 signals - the people who made ruby on rails, basecamp, and run Signal vs Noise.

It was extremely validating. We are completely embodying everything they say you should do in business, and pushing it even further. Makes me feel pretty optimistic about how we've chosen to do things, and I feel even better that we've naturally hit on all the same principles as this very successful company.

The book only took me an hour to read (they really go in for this simplicity stuff) so check it out if you want to feel like you're getting a pat on the back :p

AI

Alanna Irving Sun 24 Mar 2013

Loomio actually looks OK and works quite well on my mobile phone.... Never thought to use it on there before but was pleasantly surprised. Make a bookmark shortcut on my homescreen and for all intents and purposes it's functioning just like a mobile app would.

MB

Matthew Bartlett Sun 24 Mar 2013

@alannakrause yeah I use it on my iphone a bit too

MB

Matthew Bartlett Mon 25 Mar 2013

I'm planning to be in the office from 11 today.

AI

Alanna Irving Mon 25 Mar 2013

Loomio has made its first financial contribution to the Enspiral Foundation - $257! Feels good.

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Simon Tegg Mon 25 Mar 2013

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Aaron Thornton Tue 26 Mar 2013

@simontegg whats the HSF for Loomio?

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Simon Tegg Tue 26 Mar 2013

Running a simulation like they do for RapGenius is on the todo list. Might get to this next week

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Nicolas Wormser Tue 26 Mar 2013

For some reason I don't have access to Loomio's github repo since it moved from the enspiral to the loomio organization.

Can a repo owner fix this?

PS: This would better fit in the "Code" subgroup, so maybe we need a "~~ Wall ~~" per subgroup…

MB

Matthew Bartlett Tue 26 Mar 2013

@jonlemmon

BK

Benjamin Knight Tue 26 Mar 2013

Hello community!

There's a nice article published this morning the Capital Times about the work Loomio is doing to make citizen participation in local governance easier in Wellington.

Any help sharing this link ( http://www.capitaltimes.co.nz/Online-on-booze ) around and directing interested people to www.loomio.org/collaborate would be much appreciated!

BK

Benjamin Knight Tue 26 Mar 2013

PS the work @johnirving did on the Facebook link previews for Loomio are thoroughly awesome!

It'll make it way easier to push our shameless loomio.org/collaborate mobile billboard through the friendly neighbourhood Facebook shopping mall :)

AI

Alanna Irving Wed 27 Mar 2013

Are we having all hands this friday? some people will be away for easter... I'll be here (I usually fail to even remember holidays exist) but what about everyone else?

AI

Alanna Irving Wed 27 Mar 2013

Everyone please share off this post on facebook to spread the captimes article around facebook. Thanks!

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett started a proposal Wed 27 Mar 2013

We should have a meeting on Easter Friday Closed Sat 30 Mar 2013

Results
Agree - 3
Abstain - 3
Disagree - 3
Block - 3
9 people have voted (0%)
RDB

Richard D. Bartlett
Disagree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

no way, it's holiday time! Praise the lord!

BK

Benjamin Knight
Agree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

I'll be here! (I'm away the following Friday, so I will consider it penance)

ST

Simon Tegg
Abstain
Wed 27 Mar 2013

MB

Matthew Bartlett
Disagree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

not very work-lifey-balancy + I guess I will actually be praising the lord

AI

Alanna Irving
Abstain
Wed 27 Mar 2013

I'm good either way

JL

Jon Lemmon
Agree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

I'll be there?

AT

Aaron Thornton
Disagree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

SJ

Sophie Jerram
Agree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

I would be happy to come in as I will be doing some work that day anyway and will be rather absent next week until Friday. But equally easy to leave it.

NW

Nicolas Wormser
Agree
Wed 27 Mar 2013

I'm working this friday.

NW

Nicolas Wormser
Abstain
Wed 27 Mar 2013

I'm happy to do only the metrics meeting with Simon and Jon (if they're around), and wait one more week to join the all hands.

AT

Aaron Thornton
Abstain
Wed 27 Mar 2013

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett
Abstain
Wed 27 Mar 2013

Y'all have a meeting if you like. I'm going to have a sleep-in and might turn up or might not :)

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett started a proposal Fri 7 Jun 2013

We should put the new Spanish tutorial video on the Help page Closed Sun 9 Jun 2013

Results
Agree - 6
Abstain - 6
Disagree - 6
Block - 6
8 people have voted (0%)
BK

Benjamin Knight
Agree
Fri 7 Jun 2013

I like it very much!

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Noelia
Agree
Fri 7 Jun 2013

it needs improvement (background music?) I believe its ready to use :)

AI

Alanna Irving
Agree
Fri 7 Jun 2013

CWH

Chloe Waretini (Loomio Helper)
Agree
Fri 7 Jun 2013

I

iacocoba
Agree
Fri 7 Jun 2013

AT

Aaron Thornton
Agree
Sat 8 Jun 2013

Beautiful!

R

Rodolfo
Abstain
Sat 8 Jun 2013

DU

[deactivated account]
Abstain
Sun 9 Jun 2013

Lack of knowledge / new participant

AI

Alanna Irving Thu 28 Mar 2013

Interesting: Reasonwell

Constructive Online Debate

Reasonwell is a new kind of online opinion platform that structures debate in a constructive way; it facilitates collaborative argument mapping:
Each argument is made up of claims.
Each claim is stated as a simple proposition with which you can agree or disagree.
Reasons to agree or disagree are given as arguments, which you can accept or reject.
The best arguments are voted to the top.
The argument map’s branching structure focuses attention on specific claims and arguments, eliminates off-topic noise, and allows drilling down into details. Your opinions on every element of the debate are visible to others, and nobody can edit them for you. Others can propose edits to refine claims and arguments, but you choose which changes you accept. The result is a collaboratively built argument map drawing from the crowd's breadth of perspectives, with concise arguments linking to evidence on points of detail.

AI

Alanna Irving Thu 28 Mar 2013

This is pretty cool... Joseph Gordon Levitt launching a collaborative community driven tv show called Hit Record

AI

Alanna Irving Thu 28 Mar 2013

This is an amazing article written in 1970 but still highly relevant. THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS

It's all about how no matter what you might think, all groups inherently have structure. But the less explicit the structure is, the more likely it will lead to elitist factions and marginalization.

It concludes by saying there are 7 elements for truly democratic structuring:
1. delegation
2. accountability/responsibility
3. distribution of authority
4. rotation of tasks
5. rational allocation of tasks
6. diffusion of information
7. equal access to resources

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Thu 28 Mar 2013

@alannakrause check out the comments on this FB post for the critique of that article. TLDR: 'you rotten marxists have been trotting that article out for 40 years to justify your outdated statist models'.

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Simon Tegg Fri 29 Mar 2013

Vinay's political evolution link

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Aaron Thornton Fri 29 Mar 2013

@richarddbartlett, I wasn't sure when you were changing it. But now I am acclimatized, I like the bs2 black header better than the gradient. I would however at some stage, when we have our functionality stabiliized, like to have our own look menus. A little bit less out of the bootstrap mold, @kellycheesman would you agree?

MB

Matthew Bartlett Mon 1 Apr 2013

@alannakrause Thanks — enjoyed re-reading that article.

MC

Malcolm Colman-Shearer Tue 2 Apr 2013

Hello wall, I'm a little lost... can you point me towards the feedback / suggestions room...?

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Tue 2 Apr 2013

Hello Malcolm, welcome, make yourself at home :)

The structure of this group is still a work in progress, but generally speaking the best place for specific feature feedback is in the Features subgroup.

If in doubt, you can always start a new discussion here in the main group.

ST

Simon Tegg Tue 2 Apr 2013

Pay-what-you-like models for apps link

AI

Alanna Irving Wed 3 Apr 2013

Some crazy stuff going on in Hungary right now. Wishing the best for all our Hungarian users...

http://www.newstatesman.com/austerity-and-its-discontents/2013/04/hungary-no-longer-democracy

BK

Benjamin Knight Wed 3 Apr 2013

A less current but still really interesting article about the political situation in Hungary

"Until recently, Hungary was deeply divided.

Half of the population believed that only the socialists could be trusted to run the country's affairs competently. They despised the current Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, as a populist demagogue.

Meanwhile, the other half saw Mr Orban as a saviour from the corruption of the socialists, who were seen as a bunch of detestable self-serving ex-communist apparatchiks in new suits.

But now the country is becoming more united again - united in despair at the entire political class."

ST

Simon Tegg Thu 4 Apr 2013

Just ordered this book Tempo from fishpond (not amazon)

ST

Simon Tegg Thu 4 Apr 2013

A discussion on Loomio vs A Mailing list

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Thu 4 Apr 2013

Good spotting @simontegg.

If there were a subgroup in the Loomio Community for Loomio Admins, I would invite the admin of that group to it. It would be a great place to start having conversations about how some groups are structuring themselves with Loomio. e.g. it might be useful for the Chakra Project to set up a broad public group to replace their mailing list, and a narrower private/closed-access sub-group for decision-making.

AI

Alanna Irving Fri 5 Apr 2013

I think an Admins subgroup could be a great idea... they have it on the yammer customer network, for example, and discuss things only relevant to admins. Might not be needed until we have a more fully featured set of admins tools though.

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Fri 5 Apr 2013

I was thinking of it more as a place for sharing best practices for the 'cultural technology' aspects of Loomio.

AI

Alanna Irving Fri 5 Apr 2013

Went to the Startup Compass (the ones who created the startup genome project) website to see if Startup Genome Project was capitalized, and got utterly lost in their blog ... careful @simontegg and @richarddbartlett tharr be dragons!

AI

Alanna Irving Fri 5 Apr 2013

Huh, it is capitalized

CWH

Chloe Waretini (Loomio Helper) Mon 8 Apr 2013

Jon Siddall who I met last year when he had been in NZ working on some social enterprise sector development stuff is in Wellington this week presenting at the Philanthropy NZ conference. His area of expertise is Venture Philanthropy - in particular getting ventures ready for sizable investment. He has been back in the UK doing a One Planet MBA at Exeter Business School. I told him about you guys last year and he was pretty interested. Let me know if any of you would like an introduction!

uk.linkedin.com/in/siddalljon

AI

Alanna Irving Mon 8 Apr 2013

@benjaminknight @vivienmaidaborn what do you think about meeting Chloe's contact?

BK

Benjamin Knight Mon 8 Apr 2013

Thanks for the offer @chloewaretini! Do you know if Jon is going to be around on Thursday or Friday? An email intro would be great

CWH

Chloe Waretini (Loomio Helper) Mon 8 Apr 2013

@benjaminknight I'll send the introduction this afternoon and you can take it from there :-)

AI

Alanna Irving Tue 9 Apr 2013

A small but exciting piece of news: this community has grown so much that I had to bump up the "max members" size for this group!

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Jeff Swift Tue 9 Apr 2013

Is there any discussion about making the Loomio API open or making it embeddable in another site? I would imagine there are some groups who would be interested in using Loomio but would rather keep people on their site rather than sending them somewhere else.

I apologize if this issue has already been addressed--I haven't been able to find it in the various discussion in the community but that doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed.

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Tue 9 Apr 2013

Hi @jeffswift, the question of an API has come up a few times. As far as I understand it, it is not a top priority yet, but there is a pretty strong sense that it is going to be a very important part of Loomio's large-scale adoption.

My technical knowledge is pretty threadbare on this topic but to the best of my knowledge, good object-oriented coding practices are preparing the ground for an API in the future. So progress is being made, even if no one is explicitly thinking 'I'm building the Loomio API'. Is that fair @jonlemmon?

p.s. it would probably be good to take this conversation to the Code group if we want to get technical :)

JL

Jon Lemmon Wed 10 Apr 2013

@jeffswift yes, transitioning Loomio to using an API that anyone can access is definitely on the cards.

Embedding in other websites... we talked about this a while ago, but I think there are some other priorities which are going to have to get sorted out first (e.g. making the site faster, making the UI responsive). Check out this trello board to see what's on our radar for the next few months (specifically, have a look at the By June column).

AI

Alanna Irving Tue 16 Apr 2013

Saw readrboard in the wild for the first time today. Interesting! Essentially lets you make one word comments on individual words or sentences in text on the web. Something to consider for our "comment on comments" need?

JL

Jon Lemmon Tue 16 Apr 2013

It looks like it hasn't been announced yet, but I just noticed that Trello has released their "business class" package, basically just extra organisational features for Trello targeted toward larger businesses. Really interesting to see the feature set they provide and their pricing structure:

https://trello.com/business-class

The features are stuff that really only businesses would need, and it's also quite cheap (and isn't dependent on the number of users).

@benjaminknightloom @vivienmaidabornloo @simontegg

MB

Matthew Bartlett Sun 21 Apr 2013

Some GK Chesterton, from A Miscellany of Men, 1912, that resonated for me:

Self-government arose among men (probably among the primitive men, certainly among the ancients) out of an idea which seems now too simple to be understood. The notion of self-government was not (as many modern friends and foes of it seem to think) the notion that the ordinary citizen is to be consulted as one consults an Encyclopaedia. He is not there to be asked a lot of fancy questions, to see how he answers them. He and his fellows are to be, within reasonable human limits, masters of their own lives. They shall decide whether they shall be men of the oar or the wheel, of the spade or the spear. The men of the valley shall settle whether the valley shall be devastated for coal or covered with corn and vines; the men of the town shall decide whether it shall be hoary with thatches or splendid with spires. Of their own nature and instinct they shall gather under a patriarchal chief or debate in a political market-place. And in case the word "man" be misunderstood, I may remark that in this moral atmosphere, this original soul of self-government, the women always have quite as much influence as the men. But in modern England neither the men nor the women have any influence at all. In this primary matter, the moulding of the landscape, the creation of a mode of life, the people are utterly impotent. They stand and stare at imperial and economic processes going on, as they might stare at the Lord Mayor's Show.
Round about where I live, for instance, two changes are taking place which really affect the land and all things that live on it, whether for good or evil. The first is that the urban civilisation (or whatever it is) is advancing; that the clerks come out in black swarms and the villas advance in red battalions. The other is that the vast estates into which England has long been divided are passing out of the hands of the English gentry into the hands of men who are always upstarts and often actually foreigners.
Now, these are just the sort of things with which self-government was really supposed to grapple. People were supposed to be able to indicate whether they wished to live in town or country, to be represented by a gentleman or a cad. I do not presume to prejudge their decision; perhaps they would prefer the cad; perhaps he is really preferable. I say that the filling of a man's native sky with smoke or the selling of his roof over his head illustrate the sort of things he ought to have some say in, if he is supposed to be governing himself. But owing to the strange trend of recent society, these enormous earthquakes he has to pass over and treat as private trivialities. In theory the building of a villa is as incidental as the buying of a hat. In reality it is as if all Lancashire were laid waste for deer forests; or as if all Belgium were flooded by the sea. In theory the sale of a squire's land to a moneylender is a minor and exceptional necessity. In reality it is a thing like a German invasion. Sometimes it is a German invasion.
Upon this helpless populace, gazing at these prodigies and fates, comes round about every five years a thing called a General Election. It is believed by antiquarians to be the remains of some system of self-government; but it consists solely in asking the citizen questions about everything except what he understands.

AI

Alanna Irving Fri 26 Apr 2013

Blog post written by Jason Kottke after "The Wisdom of Crowds" was published in 2004...


The wisdom of crowds you say? As Surowiecki explains, yes, but only under the right conditions. In order for a crowd to be smart, he says it needs to satisfy four conditions:

  1. Diversity. A group with many different points of view will make better decisions than one where everyone knows the same information. Think multi-disciplinary teams building Web sites...programmers, designers, biz dev, QA folks, end users, and copywriters all contributing to the process, each has a unique view of what the final product should be. Contrast that with, say, the President of the US and his Cabinet.

  2. Independence. "People's opinions are not determined by those around them." AKA, avoiding the circular mill problem.

  3. Decentralization. "Power does not fully reside in one central location, and many of the important decisions are made by individuals based on their own local and specific knowledge rather than by an omniscient or farseeing planner." The open source software development process is an example of effect decentralization in action.

  4. Aggregation. You need some way of determining the group's answer from the individual responses of its members. The evils of design by committee are due in part to the lack of correct aggregation of information. A better way to harness a group for the purpose of designing something would be for the group's opinion to be aggregated by an individual who is skilled at incorporating differing viewpoints into a single shared vision and for everyone in the group to be aware of that process (good managers do this). Aggregation seems to be the most tricky of the four conditions to satisfy because there are so many different ways to aggregate opinion, not all of which are right for a given situation.

Satisfy those four conditions and you've hopefully cancelled out some of the error involved in all decision making.

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Simon Tegg Fri 26 Apr 2013

Here is a governance model for an open-source "meritocratic, consensus-based community project." Mojito

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Nicolas Wormser Fri 26 Apr 2013

@simontegg Very interesting overall! I especially like the section 5.3 on the different type of approvals. Offering the possibility to make a proposal with specific approval patterns/rules (majority approval, unanimous consensus etc…) would be very valuable I think.

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Sun 28 Apr 2013

Very cool @simontegg. Do you want to reach out to them and invite them into Loomio? Looks like they would have a lot to teach us.

DS

Danyl Strype Mon 29 Apr 2013

After the meeting the other day, I am thinking an open source community institution developing a repository of best-practice governance models, constitutions, privacy policies, CLAs etc etc would be really valuable. This is beyond the scope of even the FSF or OSI because it would be useful to anyone creating a social enterprise in any field. Community.net.nz (an advice service for people wanting to set up not-for-profits) is one example of what this could like like. Law is code!

DS

Danyl Strype Tue 30 Apr 2013

Dave Pollard shares some insights on the history of the words democracy and consensus from the latest book by US anthropologist David Graeber:
"[Consensus] requires the ability to listen well enough to understand perspectives that are fundamentally different from one’s own, and then try to find pragmatic common ground without attempting to convert one’s interlocutors completely to one’s own perspective. It means viewing democracy as common problem solving among those who respect the fact they will always have, like all humans, somewhat incommensurable points of view.”
http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2013/04/29/the-democracy-project/

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vivien maidaborn Tue 30 Apr 2013

Our colleague Wayne Mulligan mentioned Loomio in an email out to people and businesses who have supported him and his thinking as he makes his way to the USNZ business partnerships meeting in Washington DC. This is what he said...
"Kia ora, I have been asked to speak at a gathering of USA -NZ business and political leaders in Washington DC in mid May 2013.

I am extremely honoured and proud. For me working with leaders and people committed to doing the right things in business, for community and the right outcome for the environment is refreshing and energising.

You have received this because I acknowledge you and your influence.

We are not farmers, harvesters or traders.

We are instead framers; we imagine, we shape and we drive change, and we foremost value New Zealand's bio-diversity, NZ communities; NZ technology and science; and smart business partners.

Thank you.

I have chosen lyrics of a song from the 80s' Thunder Zone by Tina Turner, which sums up for me the current NZ business mindset "we do not need another hero" Let's replace hero with cow. I think the cow-hero relationship sums up the NZ parody....

Thank you whanau, friends and the following businesses: HoneyLab and Kanu; Anagenix; Loomio; Enspiral; Rima Group - Green Tech Village; Wakatu-Kono; iwiinvestor- TMG; Wi Pere; NRAIT; GibsonSheet; Udynamics; AbacusBio; Rydges; HarrisonGrierson; Poutama; Nga Mahanga - Marae Ora; Hikurangi Foundation; Fuel 5; GlobalHort; Kerasi; Foundation Trustee; Maori Tourism; and Novus- Stratum.

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Alanna Irving Tue 30 Apr 2013

The debate over the supercity plan would be so much more engaging on Loomio... is this a possible target for our local councils strategy? @vivienmaidabornloo @benjaminknightloom

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Tue 30 Apr 2013

So much to like about that email @vivienmaidabornloo

MB

Matthew Bartlett Tue 30 Apr 2013

'Why Medium Notes Are Different and How to Use Them Well' https://medium.com/about/5972c72b18f2 — interesting upgrade to blog comments

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Nicolas Wormser Tue 30 Apr 2013

@matthewbartlett interresting. With this and readerboard that Alanna introduced just a few posts earlier in this thread, it's looking like in-context commenting (if I can call it so) is making its way.

But for some reason I'm not 100% sold that it should replace traditional comment systems (though it's a nice addition for very concise, contextualized comments)…

DS

Danyl Strype Wed 1 May 2013

Coopoly - the game of cooperatives:
http://store.toolboxfored.org/games/

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Ramsey Margolis Wed 1 May 2013

Co-opoly is a well thought out board game @Stypey, I have one and am keen to play the game in Wellington.

JL

Jon Lemmon Wed 1 May 2013

@ramseymargolis sweet. We should host a co-opoly night at Enspiral!

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Noelia Thu 2 May 2013

@benjaminknightloom @alannakrause @richarddbartlett do you think loomio could be interested in this? i can look in to the selection process and application and let you know, sounds really interesting and they give you the opportunity to live in Chile. I've made a bit of research about people currently doing it and they seem to be very successful
http://startupchile.org/about/the-program/

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Nicolas Wormser Thu 9 May 2013

Waahhh… I've just discovered FrontlineSMS. Ok their website is ugly but what they're doing really is awesome.

Probably something that it would make sense to use once we have the web/smartphones app thriving, and that we want to bring good decision making practices to people who don't have access to internet / or who engage more easily with cellphones than any more recent/sophisticated technologies.

I'm so happy when is see use of open-source software that has really important social impact like that!

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Fri 10 May 2013

Wowww that rules @nicolaswormser

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Noelia Fri 10 May 2013

Read Here! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vanessa-van-edwards/start-up-chile_b_3225480.html
@richarddbartlett @benjaminknightloom @alannakrause

RDB

Richard D. Bartlett Sat 11 May 2013

Great article thanks @noelia. Personally, the idea of going through an entrepreneurship training program sounds pretty unappealing. I'm sure there's a lot of value there, but it's not my thing. If there's a volunteer that wants to go, then we talk about how it fits in with strategic priorities.

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Noelia Sun 12 May 2013

@richarddbartlett right, i guess i was more amused about the idea of going to S.A working on the ground with groups facilitating and teaching them about Loomio, thats how i came across with this startup Chile "thing", but maybe isn't something you guys are interested in now, do you think that the idea of going there is still crazy? i mentioned it to @alannakrause too but didn't really talk through, would you guys support me if I'll do it? (just go to S.A not startup-Chile)

AI

Alanna Irving Mon 13 May 2013

Why do co-operatives
fail as co-operatives?

Excerpt

Co-operative Difference and Advantage
The key to the formation and the ongoing development and success of any co-operative is understanding, accepting and practicing the co-operative difference and advantage. It is the recognition that there is a co-operative difference - that the structure of a co-operative is unique and different from private and public business enterprises. In accepting the co-operative difference, it logically follows that this difference creates a
co-operative advantage.

The Co-operative Difference and Advantage has five interdependent dimensions:
• A clear philosophy of co-operation.
• A governance practice that reflects and reinforces co-operation.
• A management practice that reflects and reinforces co-operation.
• An ongoing co-operative renewal program.
• An ongoing member education program.
• An ongoing member participation program.

MB

Matthew Bartlett Mon 13 May 2013

OO mouse