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Fri 2 Apr

Proposed e-NABLE Policy

JS
Jeremy Simon Public Seen by 92

The Strategic Planning Committee would like to collectively propose a new policy for consideration. Please review the following draft and share your comments below. The voting process will begin after at least one week of discussion.


e-NABLE is a volunteer philanthropic effort. We give devices away for free. Our open-source license does not prevent people from charging for devices, but any such commercial activity is done outside of e-NABLE.

Our feeling is that, as soon as money is introduced into the equation, things get complicated. Liability increases, and we come under additional scrutiny from regulatory bodies and government agencies.

If you need money to support the work you're doing, e-NABLE has several funding mechanisms available to help. Email funding@e-nable.org to get that process started.

While, as stated above, the open-source licenses of our designs do not prevent people from using them commercially, a problem arises whenever e-NABLE is implicated in a financial transaction involving money for fabrication or delivery of a prosthetic device or related services.

We urge volunteers to avoid such situations and to include this statement in any case:  

"e-NABLE is a volunteer philanthropic effort. We give devices away for free. Our open-source license does not prevent people from charging for devices, but any such commercial activity is done outside of e-NABLE."


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ebubar Fri 2 Apr

I think this is a good idea. At the very least it more strongly demonstrates that e-NABLE is NOT a profit driven endeavor. Is there discussion to require any officially sanctioned e-NABLE designs (whatever that means) to be released under a creative-commons, open source, non-commercial license? That might be a stronger constraint than e-NABLE wants. Is there a creative-commons, non-commercial license option that allows for individuals to use and change a model into something new that they can then use for commercial purposes if desired? That would allow for more innovation by people who wish to commercialize some of their work. Indeed, some literature suggests that people will put more value on assistive devices if they are charged a minimal price for them (its what led to this design - https://www.engineeringforchange.org/solutions/product/remotion-knee/). There might be a space for a smaller branch within e-NABLE that works on low-cost commercializable options, with the funds being applied to pursuing some regulatory approval.

RB

Rich B Fri 2 Apr

I would like to ask all the readers, members, chapters, etc., How many of you have read the Creative Commons Platform of information and understand open source designs? I bet not one in one hundred.

It's complicated: https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Marking_your_work_with_a_CC_license#Adding_a_CC_license_to_your_derivative_work

The issue is that every modification of an e-NABLE device or even it's origin is not documented properly. People frequently download and alter files from Thingiverse. I believe the thought that legal exposure in a for profit device is real. Funding through e-NABLE in no way suggests that the devices are for commercial use. That has to be strongly stated.

JS

Jon Schull Fri 2 Apr

I support this idea. But on reflection, the reference to "our open source license" is misleading. We don't have a single e-NABLE open-source license, because (1) licensing is the designer's right and responsibility and (2) licensing is complicated.

It would be good to normalize the licensing situation, but it's hard. A virtue of this proposal is that it does not attempt to solve all related problems, but only to distance the e-NABLE "brand" from responsibility for, or explicit endorsement, of commercial activiities involving our designs.

Therefore I suggest that the phrase "our open source license..." be replaced by the phrase "open source licenses for e-NABLE designs typically..."

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Saiph Savage Fri 2 Apr

I think it looks great! I wonder if we should put the call to action at the start of the proposal so that if people don't read all of it at least they get the call to action, i.e. the: " We urge volunteers to avoid such situations and to include this statement in any case:  

"e-NABLE is a volunteer philanthropic effort. We give devices away for free. Our open-source license does not prevent people from charging for devices, but any such commercial activity is done outside of e-NABLE.""

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Rob MacKay Sat 3 Apr

Do you think a reference to licensing is necessary in this policy? for example something like this:

"e-NABLE is a volunteer philanthropic effort in support of an open-source community. We give devices away for free. Any commercial activity regarding device creation is done outside of e-NABLE."

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Bob Rieger Sat 3 Apr

I will leave the exact wording to others, but I definitely agree money needs to be kept out of the equation to the greatest extent possible.

JS

Jeremy Simon started a proposal Fri 23 Apr

Proposed e-NABLE Policy Closed Fri 30 Apr

Outcome
by Jeremy Simon Fri 30 Apr

This proposal has passed unanimously with 23 Agree votes. Thanks for your participation!

The Strategic Planning Committee would like to collectively propose a new policy for consideration. Please review the following draft and share your comments below. The voting process will begin after at least one week of discussion.


e-NABLE is a volunteer philanthropic effort. We give devices away for free. Our open-source license does not prevent people from charging for devices, but any such commercial activity is done outside of e-NABLE.

Our feeling is that, as soon as money is introduced into the equation, things get complicated. Liability increases, and we come under additional scrutiny from regulatory bodies and government agencies.

If you need money to support the work you're doing, e-NABLE has several funding mechanisms available to help. Email funding@e-nable.org to get that process started.

While, as stated above, the open-source licenses of our designs do not prevent people from using them commercially, a problem arises whenever e-NABLE is implicated in a financial transaction involving money for fabrication or delivery of a prosthetic device or related services.

We urge volunteers to avoid such situations and to include this statement in any case:  

"e-NABLE is a volunteer philanthropic effort. We give devices away for free. Open source licenses for e-NABLE designs typically do not prevent people from charging for devices, but any such commercial activity is done outside of e-NABLE."


Agree - 23
Abstain - 0
Disagree - 0
Block - 0
23 people have voted (13%)
JS

Jeremy Simon
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

ZK

Zeynep Karagöz
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

E

ebubar
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

S

Shashi
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

SM

Skip Meetze
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

If more people are helped by our designs and techniques when they are provided to people that our volunteers are not reaching, then it is a good thing even if the providers charge for them. Open source means that the designs are available to certified professional practitioners and others who charge for providing their clinical services.

QM

Quinn Morley
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

B

Ben
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

LG

Leland Green
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

A great specification to add. Needed and concise.

SM

Shawn Mathiesen
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

RB

Rich B
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

MB

Michael Bowman
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

BR

Bob Rieger
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

AG

Agi Gonda
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

EP

eNable Polska
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

SD

Sandra Dermisek
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

AN

Alberto Navatta
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

AT

Ashley Turner
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

M

Magi
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

This is a good move to prevent issues for the organization.

EA

Eugene Ablordeppey
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

KB

Ken Bice
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

I have always adhered to this policy. It’s good that it will now be highlighted to make sure all current and new members are aware of it.👍

TS

Teri Sanor
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

CL

Chang Liu
Agree
Fri 23 Apr

JS

Jon Schull
Agree
Fri 23 Apr